Microdosing Aromasin to raise natural test levels?
Hello, wondering if this is a thing? Crazy or just so crazy it could work?
My recent Test score came back as 535 ng/dL and Free Test was 83.6 pg/mL. I'm natural obviously and 40 year old male. I've regretfully not seen a huge increase in my test over the last year as I started lifting heavy and losing weight. My Test score last July at 300 lbs and not lifting was 493. I know there could be some fluctuations and that's just a small snapshot, but I'm looking for ways to naturally increase my test as my body fat(23.7%) is still too high to start an exogenous cycle.
I was looking at Enclomiphene or possibly taking like a quarter of an AI like Aromasin. My last E2 test was at the high end of normal, 35, with 39 being the high end.
Or possibly mixing the two methods. I've read that Enclomiphene will raise E2 as well?
Aside from eating well, sleeping, lifting heavy and continuing to lose weight is there anything I can do to raise my natural T?
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Kinda… but it’s a surgical move, not a hammer swing.
Here’s what’s really going on:
You're 40. Your total T is 535, free T is 83.6, not awful, but not savage either. You’ve already dropped weight, are lifting heavy, eating clean, and your E2 is riding high-normal at 35. Respect. You’re doing 90% of what most dudes won’t.
Can Aromasin (Exemestane) boost natural test,
Yes , but it’s not magic. AIs like Aromasin suppress estrogen, and when E2 drops, your pituitary goes----- WE NEED MORE TESTOSTERONE------ But go too low on E2 and now your joints ache, your libido tanks, and your brain feels like you’re in a foggy divorce court.
So microdosing, Not dumb, but you’re playing with the dimmer switch, not flipping the breaker.
Quarter tab of Aromasin (6.25mg) twice a week could nudge T up a bit and nudge E2 down a hair.
You’ll need labs every 4---6 weeks to make sure you don’t crash E2 into oblivion.
Don’t guess. Pull bloods. Adjust. Repeat.
Enclomiphene!!!!!
Now we’re talking. Enclo is the clean, focused twin of Clomid. It stimulates LH and FSH, which tells your testes to clock in and actually work for once. Side effects are usually minimal, and yeah, it can raise E2 because more T = more aromatization.
Best move IMO
Run Enclomiphene solo first (12.5mg--25mg/day for 4--6 weeks).
Monitor test AND E2.
Then if E2 creeps up, introduce low-dose Aromasin as needed.
Don't stack both from jump. You're not baking a cake, you're running a precision operation.
Also don't forget
Vitamin D3 + K2 daily. Like religion.
Magnesium glycinate at night.
Zinc (but don’t megadose it unless you want nausea and copper issues).
Ashwagandha KSM-66 , 600mg/day. Helps lower cortisol and nudge test up.
Sleep!!!!
Lower BF to sub 18% before even considering gear. You already know this.
Enclo is the best move if you want to wake the boys up without hopping on full-blown TRT. Aromasin is a fine-tuned tool, not a first move. Do your labs!!!
I’d go with Enclomiphene, you do not want to accidentally crash your E2. It takes like weeks to feel normal again
Yes, in theory it would. Reducing estrogen levels should signal your hypothalamus to release more GNRH. Which after a couple more steps results in test production. But I think you’re way better off with clomid. No risk of crashing your estrogen and it’s proven to raise natural test levels. 25-50mg a day would be sufficient. People like enclo these days so that may be the better route to go.
Are you supplementing with vitamin D3+k2? That plays a big role in test levels and most of us are deficient in d3.
Yeah my current vitamin stack is Omega 3 Oil, Ashwagandha, Magnesium Citrate, Glutamine with MSM, D3 + K2, a men's Daily Vitamin, and Tumeric. I recently added Berberine to help with possible blood sugar issues with HGH, and today I'm starting L-Carnitine Tartrate and Betaine.
Enclomiphene brought my test level from 490 to 1120 in less than 2 months. Just 6.25 mg once a day. Unfortunately the labs I did at the time didn't test free test, so not sure how much it changed.
Oh nice. Did you notice the difference? Do you think it helped? Any bad side effects?
Body wise, it definitely helped. I lost close to 4 inches in my waist alone in the first several months without really changing any exercise or dieting. I noticed a slight increase in my energy levels. Noticed no change in Sleep quality and Libido.
I've Been taking clomid, I'm down to 50mg eod. Did the gonadorelin thing stared at 100mg ed clomid. Was feeling much better with the gonadorelin. This is after heavy steroid use for over a year basically non stop. I've been getting a Lil eh on the low end lately, anyhow i started taking 1mg adex on the days im not taking clomid. And think i feel better. Def haven't crashed yet.
So i think the enclomiphene and a.i. Def would work, there is actually studies on it for fertility of u look. Hcg, gonadorelin. Hcg is much simpler with 1 shot e3d instead of 1 shot every 3 hours.
Good luck
Microdosing Aromasin can slightly increase natural T by lowering E2, but it’s a blunt tool. Too much AI and you crash estrogen, which tanks libido, energy, and even slows fat loss. Enclomiphene is a better option…it stimulates LH/FSH directly and preserves E2 within range. If your E2 is 35, I’d skip Aromasin altogether. Drop more body fat, consider Enclo short-term, and retest. Estrogen isn’t the villain imbalance is. IMO. Good luck
Hey thanks for a very helpful response. I figured logically it must work but wondered if it would be worth it, sounds like not. I appreciate the answer without condescending as well.
You want to increase testosterone levels without injections, ok.
How is your sleep? How many hours do you sleep per night?
How’s your training intensity?
How is your cardio?
How is your diet?
Old formula well know
Diet
Training
Sleeping
Workout and live happy lifestyle!
This is shitty idea taking AI
You're gonna messed up your Estradiol for a little more free testosterone
i sleep 7-10 hours a night. Been sleeping less recently as i think the HGH is affecting my sleep, not necessarily in a bad way. I seem to be waking up earlier naturally.
I train pretty hard I think? I do 3 full body sessions a week, around 2 hours each. Most sets are close to failure. Diet could be better, but it's not terrible. Usually hit my protein goal of 180-200g of protein.
Ha ha, there seems to be a contradiction here: “ I'm looking for ways to naturally increase my test” while taking aromasin (or other) is not “natural”. However, I did try microdosing proviron to treat low “t”, @ 118 ug/dl. It only raised “t” to 200+ but this was within what I would consider normal variation. My conclusion is that it was risk/reward adverse. So low dose trt for me.
Hah you're right not exactly natural, I guess I should say endogenously increase my Test without shutting down natural production.
IMO if you really feel the need for higher test you could try HCG to bump up your test, or just start running testosterone. I wouldn't waste my time with enclo or AIs.
All the reading i've done seems Enclo is more effective than hcg, so curious why you say that?
A couple reasons. First of all HCG is bioidentical, while enclo is synthetic. Also there's potential for eye damage, and risk of clotting in some of the research. I think for short term use in PCT or fertility it has use but as a long term I wouldn't use it.
That’s clomid you’re thinking of. Due to the zuclomiphene isomer. Clomid is made up of “zu-“ and “en-“ isomers. The negative effects are believed to come from zu while the positive benefits, for men, from the en isomer.
Yeah that's what I've read. I signed up for a promo and used some of my money to get some Enclo, I figure I'll try it for a month, if it helps, great, I'll keep using, if not no money lost. The source is basically out of stock on anything else useful at the moment.
Short answer: no, longer answer: hell no. 535 is a fine test level.
Using an ai when you have normal e2 levels is just straight up stupid.
You mean at 35 E2 you wouldn't take 25mg aromasin a day?
If I want to go hell and back I might lol. I wonder where people get the idea to do shit like this.
thanks
You should be thumbing down the chooch that was trying to hurt you. Friends like that, who needs enemies?!?
Mic drops.