+ 23 Kits4Less Titan & Dragon HGH: Janoshik Mass Spec Results
I recently submitted three HGH samples to Janoshik for independent testing. Here’s a breakdown of the results:
Reconstituted Titan (Sample #72676):
This was the last vial from a Titan box I had been using at 8 IU per day. During that time, my IGF-1 only reached 210 ng/mL, which was far below expectations. Since it was my last vial, I sent a reconstituted sample, and it was unrefrigerated during transit for just over a week.
Despite the shipping conditions, the lab measured 3.28 mg/mL with 87.4% purity. While it’s true that reconstituted HGH is sensitive to heat and should be kept refrigerated, a 10 percent drop in purity is not typical for just a week without refrigeration. Minor degradation may occur, but this level of underperformance, combined with my low IGF-1 results, strongly suggests the product was already underdosed or degraded before it ever left my fridge. The lab was able to quantify active rHGH, so the sample was still viable for testing.
Unopened Titan (Sample #72677):
This was a sealed vial from a different box. It tested at 10.86 mg or 32.6 IU per vial, with 95.3% purity. This is in line with what properly dosed UGL HGH should look like.
Unopened Dragon (Sample #72678):
This sample tested at 13.39 mg or 40.17 IU per vial, with 96.6% purity. This was the most potent and highest quality sample of the three.
The reconstituted Titan sample was consistent with my low IGF-1 bloodwork and confirmed that the batch I had been using was underperforming. The newer sealed Titan vial tested well, which suggests the issue was likely batch-specific and not reflective of the brand as a whole. The Dragon sample tested strong and clean.
The source paid for the Janoshik testing and has offered me store credit, which I appreciate. That shows accountability and a willingness to make things right.
I’m currently running Dragon at 8 IU per day and will be pulling another IGF-1 blood test within the month to track results. Will report back once I have the numbers.
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I got a box of the Titan hGH last year and was fully unimpressed. No side effects whatsoever even when I rage dosed it to 10iu a day after feeling like it was bunk with no sides going from 2 up to 5iu. Since I just got one box and already wasted money it was not worth it for me to send out. Your IGF was low for that dose and the test results of the vials being legit are making me think some vials were bunk or degraded.
Sides have little to no bearing on quality
I've heard that, yet in my experience my results were best with gH that made my hands numb. Do you have first hand experience with gH that doesn't have these side effects and IGF numbers to match?
I ordered titan HGH and I got numbness sides. Though I was taking 5iu each day.
Is there a way to lower the chances of getting a bunk box.? Or is it hit or miss?. My head is spinning.
I mean according to this test none of it was bunk... At worst one had some degredation but that's all speculation because it had been reconstituted and then shipped in the heat of summer. But the unopened stuff was solid. And again the degraded bottle here was still mostly intact, not like it was 50 percent dosed or something.
Something else to keep in mind is that this vial wasn't just reconstituted before shipment, it was a vial he was already using for a certain number of days (or weeks). Considering how many times we've tested Titan & Dragon (look at our quality control section), and never saw this issue with an unconstituted vial, I'm far from convinced anything is amiss.
So the opened box wasn’t entirely bunk but very inferior quality, mediocre at best. It was the dodginess of this open box that was the catalyst that put everything under the microscope.
“Minor degradation may occur, but this level of underperformance, combined with my low IGF-1 results, strongly suggests the product was already underdosed or degraded before it ever left my fridge. The lab was able to quantify active rHGH, so the sample was still viable for testing.”
i saw a segment on youtube with Broderick chavez if you dont know who he is you should look him up and watch his interveiws very smart guy ,anyways he said the difference between ugl hgh and pharmaceutical hgh is not the source they get the product from but rather how it is shipped and received he said pharmaceutical companys can afford to have it shipped cold and in somthing climate controlled so the product dosent degrade were as ugls might not be able to access the same luxury and have to just cross there fingers that everything goes well id be curious how someone receives there actully prescribed hgh from a docter and pharmacy if they get it with cooling packs and its plucked from a refrigerator at the pharmacy and told to keep it cold just curious how actual pharmacy grade hgh is handled
UNIT_you sent a reconstituted vial to be tested? thats pretty pointless tbh all the shaking and handling from transit is going to destroy the peptide and its also not even refrigerated
DumbbellsanonymousThanks for testing bro!
In cases like this, I’d personally rather just go with a better source altogether. I get that batch quality can vary, and it’s cool that the customer service made it right, but at the end of the day, it’s the actual product quality that matters most to me.
K4L usually puts out solid GH, but lately I’ve noticed some real inconsistency.
Just my 2 cents … to each their own though. BTW thanks for sharing it !
UNIT_huh? the sealed vials didnt even test bad
only one that tested bad was the reconstituted vial which is expected.. imagine all the shaking and shit the vial goes thru during transit and its during hot summer
You made a good point … but on the other hand, GH isn’t that fragile like most people assume. Janoshik even explains that in this interview, definitely worth checking out:
https://youtu.be/a2gTvWsURZg?si=UVz6CPqbe7FHQXos
I’m pretty sure he is talking about reconstituted hgh in this interview. I think he even says at one point that he has seen ugl gh degrade at a rate of 1% a month even refrigerated and there is a big variance in stability from brand to brand (this might be from a blog post by him though). Either way, I respect your opinion as I think you are very knowledgable with the experience to back it up but I’ve never personally had any issues with k4l gh. Bloods are always on point and consistent and I get them every 12 weeks even when running the same batch for extended periods. I honestly think this guys igf-1 score is probably due to user error, testing error or some kind of physiological issue. I have my own complaints about kits but quality just has never been one of them.
Saying it’s “probably user error or physiological” while completely dismissing the possibility of a bad batch just isn’t logical. I’ve had great results from this source’s NAD+ and Tirzepatide too, but that doesn’t make their HGH immune to inconsistency.
And to be clear, the point of this post wasn’t to call out Kits4Less. I’ve done business with them many times and had success with several of their products. But dismissing my experience as user error while ignoring both lab-verified purity (87%) and bloodwork (IGF-1 at 210 on 8 IU/day) feels biased. Bad batches happen.
UNIT_send another reconstituted vial of titan from the batch that tested good and i guarantee you that you will get the same results... i think your underestimating the damage the reconstituted hgh gets when going thru transit especially international shipping during hot summer days
I agree that bad batches happen but your own test showed that the vial had ~27 iu so obviously this batch in particular isn’t one of them or at least none of the samples you had tested were. I also said there could be an error with the blood test and I never ruled out the possibility of a bad batch altogether. I could accuse you of being stubbornly adamant that the ONLY possibility is a bad batch despite evidence that you provided that suggests that your batch was good
Totally fair, brother and I respect that your bloods are solid. But the whole point of sending 3 vials to Janoshik is to eliminate user error. Two sealed vials tested clean, one didn’t. Same brand, same storage. That’s not a user issue … that’s batch inconsistency. And that is a quality issue, period. When you inject something into your body, “sometimes it’s fine” isn’t good enough.
So…this is just my humble opinion. I actually ran K4L for a while too … until I hit similar inconsistencies. Never made a fuss, it’s not my vibe to stir things up, especially with UGL stuff. My whole point is: if it’s not working for you, why deal with the stress and the second-guessing? Either go with a rock-solid source or pay premium for pharma. No drama, just logic.
Just my two cents … but that’s the beauty of this forum: we’re all here to share different views and learn from each other. It’s all good … everyone’s trying their best to make it work.
Just wanna add that I agree with you 100% about avoiding any source that you have to question and the merits of this forum. I enjoy a little debate and reasonable discussion and I appreciate that we can have that here.
If you look below you’ll see that he reconstituted with 3 ml of bac water and submitted 1 ml as a sample. The test showed that the concentration was ~3 mg, i.e. about 9iu. This would suggest that at worst the sample contained 9 mg or 27 iu of gh before reconstitution which is a 3 iu (10%) deficit, which is within normal QC parameters for pharma grade, albeit barely. This doesn’t account for degradation in transit, etc. I’m not here to suck K4L’s dick and I don’t personally order from them anymore because I have a new source that is just as good and cheaper. I just think that in this specific case there is zero evidence outside of a single blood test that there was a quality issue. If we were talking about the “test c” that came back underdosed and adulterated with mast p I’d be on the other side of this argument. That shit is inexcusable and was the nail in the coffin for me when it come to these guys.
Open to sharing this source that is the same quality as K4L but cheaper? Via message of course
Hit me up
I’d be interested as well --
Very awesome of you to go through with testing and post results. This is exactly the type of thing that keeps this community strong. Thank you.
Good stuff . Thanks for posting and transparency from all. Just want to say thank you both
Thanks for posting this! Very interesting
Something that stands out to me is "sample was filter prior to analysis due to cloudiness"
Notwithstanding degradation, (I tend to see Jano as an authority figure so I'll momentarily accept his opinion on that)
Perhaps some of the active ingredient could've been filtered out? Cloudiness can in some cases be a result of lyophilized powder that for whatever reason didn't get fully integrated with the reconstitution solution/bac water.
Could you ask Jano for his opinion on this?
@Janoshik
Thanks for the post. Looking forward to your further testing. We gotta be our own guinea pigs/science experiments.
That was fast turnaround from Jano. Glad you sent it out so now there’s very little to speculate about.
thank you for doing this i feel this proves a potential bad batch or it was fine and the reconstituted vial did degrade as speculated not gunna argue.over that though to many variables at least we know the new batch and the dragon were accurate and decent purity, restored my trust in the source
How much did you reconstitute that vial with? Because it’s at 10 IU/ml. If you did 3 ml it was dosed properly. The other point about degradation is purely speculation.
The Titan was reconstituted with 3mL of bacteriostatic water, and the sample contained 1mL of product.
White Bolt, I have a couple questions for you:
1) I you hadn't eaten breakfast this morning how would you feel?
2) The total cost of a bat and ball is $1.10, what is the cost of the ball.
3) Complete the sequence: 1,1,3,5,8,?,?
A ~30iu vial has ~10mg of GH... reconstituted with 3mL, and testing @ 3.28mg/mL = ~29.5IU total from the vial if you extrapolate the values. That seems to indicate the vial was likely correctly dosed, no?
My exact thoughts just almost no point in commenting anymore on these post obviously the shit was gonna degrade lmao reconstituted GH flipping around plus heat and if he sprayed it wrong can degrade the shit way too many factors like no shit your reconstituted vial was the the only one off lmao.
Agreed. To say a 10% drop is uncommon for reconstituted GH in the summer during a week of transport is insane. I’m surprised it didn’t lose more.
Yeah, not to mention this shit is usually shipped without refrigeration in the first place. There's so many reasons it could be degraded
You’re free to form your own opinion. I just posted the results with context, nothing more to prove. At the end of the day, the results matched the bloodwork.
Even if your theory was correct about that batch being low purity it was still dosed correctly. With purity taken in to account you were still injecting ~7IU per day. So no the results don’t match the bloodwork. What it shows is you had something else going on effecting your igf conversion.
That’s not opinion that’s just math. 7IU does not equate to 210 ng/mL. And you have proven it was not the HGH causing this with these tests. Even if the purity was subpar.
A whopping 15 weeks weeks of anavar at 50mg a day basically explains why his IGF-1 levels were so low. Regardless of what his ALT and AST were.
15 weeks of Anavar isn’t what tanked my IGF-1. If IGF-1 is still stuck in the 200s at 8iu/d, the HGH is the issue, not the Anavar. Blaming an oral is just a convenient way to avoid admitting some gear is bunk.
But don’t worry, I’ll make sure I remain on the Anavar at 50mg just long enough to get one more IGF-1 test on the Dragon.
You were low on both brands of GH. 316 on 6ius is crappy too. You should have been well over 500 if not 600. And then 200 on the kits4less stuff, which reflects about 2iu a day. The hplc from jano you posted shows you were on atleast 7iu a day. So something is not making sense. Either something is causing you not to produce much IGF-1, like 15 weeks of high dose anavar. Or there is something wrong with both brands of Gh. Beyond what Jano can test for.
You should run Pharm grade GH for a week or two and pull IGF-1 so you can establish a real baseline. Go look at the bloods I just posted on Omnitrope today, 425 IGF-1 on 4iu a day. 100ng/ml per iu is where you should be. You’re only producing 25-50% of the IGF-1 you be.
Say it louder for the people on this site in back IGF is a garbage metric anyway that not what’s in the muscle just a snapshot of the blood plenty of dudes running around with 500+ IGF tiny as they come too many variables effect the #.
This is unfortunately true. My serum igf1 on 10iu per day was a little bit over 1,300. Many months ago was running around 16iu per day for about two to three months, didn’t make huge improvements at all during that time. Didn’t check my igf1 levels back then but I’m sure was a bit above 1,300. Serum igf1 doesn’t equate to hypertrophy for me…but I was definitely leaner, could eat WAY more calories, and had a nice overall fullness. According to some sources, too high of a systemic IGF1 might be detrimental to local IGF1 (the one that matters for hypertrophy, systemic igf1 checked by labs has very minimal effect on hypertrophy).
Food and training is what’s gonna move the bar respect for actually speaking on real units of GH not some baby bull shits doses I bet you could eat anything lmao that’s nice wish I could afford 10 a day would love that IGF # is completely irrelevant end of story. 8 i.u minimum my physique started too morph at that level but I can’t afford that so back down too bull shit doses :(
I already did exactly what you asked for, got the product tested, posted bloodwork, and shared full context. Now that the results don’t fit your narrative, your focus shifts to trying to discredit the variables.
When my IGF-1 comes back a lot higher on the same 8 IU/day of Dragon, I’m sure it’ll be something else
“Dragon is overdosed, so the comparison isn’t fair”
“Maybe your liver function changed”
“Maybe your binding proteins fluctuated”
“You must’ve changed your timing or protocol”
At that point, the numbers speak for themselves. I’m not here to argue. I’m here to track and share real world data. Let people draw their own conclusions.
The results do fit my narrative. They don’t fit yours. If you can’t see that, then you’re just destined to be upset.
itszoot89I’m following this post, just want to understand better. Are you saying he wasn’t taking the suggested 7iu/day he claims? Or just other things effecting his results?
He claims his igf was shot because of bunk HGH. He thought he was injecting 8IU and scored 210. Based on the purity% he woulda been injecting 7IU. So his claim is “see my shitty score is because it was degraded and a bad batch” when he was still taking 7IU. So the issue for his low igf can’t be the HGH, since 210 is extremely low for that dose. So the issue was something else: could be e2, taking a serm, taking oral steroids, etc etc. Many factors impact igf score. He was taking 50mg of var for like 12+ weeks btw…