+ 1 Dbol Insulin Pin
I read some guys are using insulin pins to inject Dbol. I’ve used insulin pins for sub-q injections of water based peptides and such but never for an oil based IM injection.
For those of you who use insulin pins to inject oil based compounds like Dbol IM, what length/gauge do you prefer and what injection site do you prefer? Do you draw through the needle or back load?
I’ve also read that injectable Dbol peaks less sharply than oral Dbol and is therefore not the best pre-workout option in comparison to oral Dbol. Does anyone take oral Dbol pre-workout and injectable Dbol to keep levels steady? I’m thinking about taking oral Dbol pre-workout in the morning and injectable Dbol at night to keep levels more stable for longer but I’m not clear on if this is a bad idea or not.
Thanks for any helpful input!
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Okay, it's time for the DBol Inject Master to speak Lmfao,
I shall make this short Obe 1 - so pay attention ....
If you are going to use Injectable Dianabol then it is best thought of as part of a cycle, not as a pre workout. It takes about 6 hours to properly work its way into the muscle cells via the blood and begin glycogen loading due to it being in oil, which makes you stronger during training and gives the massive pumps and blood flow. This means its not best suited to take an hour or 2 before training as it isn't long enough. You need to inject it everyday to get the best strength and size increases from it as it behaves quite like Test Acetate/Prop in that its active for about 3/4 of the day then thats it. Because it is in oil it gives all the benefits of regular DBol like increased nitrogen retention, muscle glycogenosis, muscle protein contraction for a longer period than tablets do. If you have a 100mg/ml vial then at 50mg ED it will last you 20 days, so you need 3 vials to do it properly.
Tablets are much better to use pre workout as they hit hard and fast, when I use them for this I take them 2 hours before lifting then load up on loads of simple carbs like Dextrose, gummy sweets, white potato etc. Its much easier to take these than inject yourself each time, which takes longer anyway to peak in the blood. The drawback of tablets though is even at 30mg they cause a big increase in blood pressure & Heart rate and in training its very noticeable which can leave you more winded and uncomfortable - it depends whether you can put up with this or not. Sure you can take the tablets every day the same as the injection, but they can cause a lot of acid reflux and can punish your appetite - something which the injectable doesn't do.
They both cause changes in liver and kidney values when it comes to getting bloodwork done, I wouldn't say one is any less damaging than the other especially when you take into account that toxic guaiacol is present in most inject versions.
On many occasions when going for PR's, I have run the injectable every day and then the day before the lift taken 40mg of tablets to get additional strength and glycogen loading and it does work very well - it makes a noticeable difference in getting the lift or missing it. For general bodybuilding purposes I wouldn't consistently use this practice though. A very noticeable difference in using the Injectable is that your blood pressure is much lower because of the slow and steady nature it introduces the hormone, rather than the sudden impact of the tablets. For this reason the inject wins overall as training is much easier and enjoyable, plus better more consistent appetite, much less acid reflux and you are less aware of taking it when mixing it in the barrel with the other compounds.
May The Force be with you ....
You said that injectable Dbol is much like Test Acetate/Prop in that it’s active for about 3/4 of the day and that’s it. You also said it takes about 6 hours to kick in.
I get up at 5am and head to the gym first thing. I usually get there about 530am and I can workout till 7.
Seems like a morning injection would be a waste as it wouldn’t kick in till after the workout and it would fade away before the next day.
Would you recommend injecting before bed if that was your schedule?
Thanks @press1 you’re a life saver!
If this is when you get up and then virtually go and train straight away, then just make sure you inject it later on in the day with your other compounds or by itself. As long as you get it in at some point it will work mate. It will still build strength and increase nitrogen retention levels etc as long as it is in you - you will reap the rewards of it next time you train.
@press1 I’m going to try pinning before bed. If I sleep 8 hrs, it takes 6 to begin to kick in, and it lasts 18 hrs then I should have lots of it available in my system by the time I wake up. Just didn’t know if there was a potential for bp increase with injectable Dbol that might make sleeping difficult or not.
If one vial lasts 20 days and you say I need 3 to do it right, does that mean that 60 days is the max I would want to run injectable Dbol?
What length/gauge insulin pin do you use and do you back load it?
Would taking oral Dbol in the morning and injectable Dbol at night give me the best of both worlds? Let’s say 10mg oral prior to workout at 5am and 20mg before dinner in the evening for a total of 30mg per day, then increasing the dosages to a total of 50mg per day if my system can handle it and bloods look good. Or is mixing oral and injectable a dumb idea for some reason I don’t know about?
Thanks for the info, @press1
Effectively, 3 Vials would be 9 weeks worth. Its up to you if you want to run it more than that
I never use Insulin pins - I inject Test Prop and NPP everyday so I just put the DBol inject in the barrel with those 2 compounds. I use a 25G orange 1" needle. You can mix them up however you want to mate - personally when I am on a good injectable version I don't tend to use the tablets alongside it, its just on occasional Max lift attempts to get the extra strength. You try different routines and see what works for you, if you are new to gear then all this extra injecting and taking tablets is exciting at first - but once you have been doing it a while then believe me you will be looking for ways to combine things all in one go or injection and cut down on the amount of anabolics you are taking everyday.
I know we aren’t allowed to discuss brands/sources etc here but would you be willing to dm me your preferred brand/source for injectable Dbol as well as your preferred brand/source for oral Dbol? Thanks again @press1
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I draw thru pin. 29 x 5/8. But when you can hit an oral vs more pinning....oral. Its not rocket science especially if im on a medium large cycle pinning daily. Hour pwo hit dbol with a good carb meal. Real quality dbol doesnt need the posted huge doses. I run pharma pet dbol 5mg tabs and 15mg split every 4 hours with protein carb meal...boom. awesome pumps and strength. Folks pushing to see sides as a judge. Why?
Just to make sure I’m reading this right, you take one 5mg oral tab with a meal 3 times per day, 4 hours apart, for a total of 15mg Dbol per day? Do you run injectable dbol with that at all? Thanks @Jockstrap!
@No08 yes i love real dbol on a small easy dosing style. Yes you can go bigger then if the sides hit youre getting what really? Extra water weight, bp and e2 upswing. I like orals as orals. Meaning even test npp mast will put you up in mgs. More pins is just not imo any real bonus. Even if you add the dbol oil into your daily pin youre now hitting a big fat bolus of oil. Just my view but theres many ways and ideals. I prefer smaller bolus, faster absorption and a simple cycle. Add in hgh and youre literally a pin cushion.
Half life of oral is roughly 4hrs. Id guess 5ish hours on oil looking at tne as a comparison of injection to serious gym focus and boosted feel. Dbol is known as a great nitrogen load. Cell volumizer. Strength booster. I like the upbeat happy feeling on dbol. Plenty of forums on here where user is chatting about too much water retention and sides so why not a dose that brings you the good and alleviates the negatives?
I've read that and followed sub q injections for my trt.
I heated vial and oil, flowed into insulin syringe. Didn't have and issues, same as I do my HGH sub q.
Now I was injecting 3iu on slin pin with oil based test. No issues small amount of oil dispersed
AK80Oh no! You said the naughty word! You need to change it to slin instead. Sorry just joking. Not sure why everyone goes nuts over that word on here. LOTS of things are dangerous....
Creature of habit, slang word I use for 1mls syringe. Only reference to syringe. My bad.
anvilBecause it's really really hard to overdose on PEDs, but taboo takes one miscue to kill.
But a few are deadly.
If your body fat percentage is too high the insulin pin probably won't work for you. But if your body fat is low enough, 15% or lower a .5 inch 29g can do the job. Learn about back-filling, you cannot pull the oil from the vial with the insulin pin the same way you would with a IM pin, there's videos about that on YouTube.
I pull from oil to slin with no problems whatsoever. No vids needed if one tties it in real life. Warm vial and draw. Barrels on slin are too small to hold warmth...so warm it in rice bag wrap. Pins easy.
Which brand pins do you use? Goodness. My pins take ages to pull oil…
For me is easier to backfill the slin pin, but thats for me. Each person does however works better for them. Maybe the way you say will work better for him.
anvilBackfill is the way.
I’ve backfilled syringes before but I typically lose a little bit so I try to avoid it if I can. Part of me wants to keep practicing to see if I can master the backfill without wasting a single drop and part of me is too nit-picky to want to sacrifice gear to anything other than my muscle tissue.
I watched some YouTube videos before trying it but still haven’t done it flawlessly yet.
Do you have any tips/tricks to do it without losing any of that precious liquid? Thanks @Izzy75!
If you are losing even a drop you're doing it wrong. The trick is that after you backfill it you need to just put the plunger at the opening without pushing it, if you push it the oil will get out through the needle side. You just need to seal it with the plunger without letting the plunger go or push it, keep it tight at the opening. Then you flip it while holding the plunger in place and sorta do a shake motion down so all the oil goes back to where you placed the plunger. Once all the oil is back you can push the plunger with the needle pointing up carefully so the air bubble goes out the needle side. Is crazy easy.
That’s definitely what I’m doing wrong. I’m so paranoid about losing stuff out the back that I push the plunger in to the first click.
I’ll try doing what you said and just making contact with the opening instead of pushing it to the first click.
Thanks @Izzy75!