Cholesterol is out of control on cut cycle, what is the reason?
I am coming the end of my first cut cycle and I just got my bloods back. All cholesterol parameters are HIGH. What do guys think is causing this?
48yr old male
5"-10"
240 lbs
12.1% BF
Cut Cycle:
Test E: 600 mg weekly total: pin 2x/week/300mg each pin
Masteron Depot: 200 mg total: Pin 2x/week/ 100 mg each pin
Tren A: 200 mg total: Pin 4x/week/ 50 mg each pin on Mon, Tues, Thurs, and Friday
Anavar: 50 mg/day
Clen: 40mgr/day
Proviron: 25mg/day
Cialis: 5 mg/day
HGH: 3 iu at night
Blood work:
Chol total: 229 H <200
Chol/HDCL Ratio 158 H <150
Non HDL 205 H <130
HDL 24 L >40
LDL 175 H <100
Prolactin is Good
Liver Health is Good
Kidney health is good except Creatinine and EGFR barely out of the ranges
Blood is good except Red blood cell is 6.01 H 4.2-5.8
Estradiol 143 H, I have no symptoms but going to start Arimidex half a pill twice a week
I am really concerned with LDL, but it always runs high on any cycle.
So, what do you guys think is the culprit? or is this to be expected.
I am going to come off cycle on Monday, then cruise through the holidays, then start a blast on Jan 1st,
BTW...the cut cycle went great for 8 weeks. I went from 18.9% body fat down to 12.1%. The leanest I have ever been.
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It's the var. Anytime I take it cholesterol gets way out of whack. Eat alot of fiber and take some fish oil daily to help
anvilI know there is a camp saying if you don't need estro control if you don't need to use an AI, but normal e2 lvls are correlated with HDL/LDL levels. And as high above range as you are I doubt it is helpful in anyway. Taking multiple orals can also stress the liver which can negatively effect HDL/LDL. Tren can also show up as estradiol on a test, so that maybe an answer why its high and you are not showing side effects.
On cycle, my E2 is usually in the 120's with no sides.
Yeah, maybe 3 orals was too much. Thank you for the advice.
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@Drexyl
Modern day Tom when he sees your comment about the Harris rally
That guy was great entertainment for sure
Was…?
https://www.eroids.com/comment/4770393#comment-4770393
This is current LOL!
i drank a liter of everclear, why did i blackout?
Feel like you are aging yourself when talking about "everclear" I know around me it was banned for some years and now I think its been back awhile its not quite the same. Kids don't remember jungle juice I feel.
This was the stuff when I was a dumb teenager
i love how its called graves. that shit will put you in the grave haha. some everclear knockoff
yeah those old school 4 locos were something different also. kids these days would be dead if they had access to that old school drinks.
Forget 4 locos we got white claw. Sense the sarcasm
The girl had ripped knees and hickies all over her body. Why did i get an STD hitting it raw?
ive been taking 15mg of mtren and 2cc of tren a daily for a few months, why did i end up with liver failure and fuck the tranny?
I IV’d a gram of Fentanyl- why did I OD?
I called Greg a homo where did my karma go?
ive been using DC toms gear, why did i get no gains and an infection?
Haha DC Tom
its funny cuz he still logs on here sometimes. im still friends eith him and every once in a while ill see his logo at the bottom of my acreen
like 2 days ago lol. We should all go to his src page and remind him he’s a cuck every so often
dc tom is online right now lol. his ears must of been ringing
Post a bunch of penis pics.
Lol. We should see how many metaphors we can get from everyone
Hahaha. Excited to see how far this goes by the end of the day.
Original poster if you’ve really done all these compounds you’d know that a handful of the things you selected would do that even by themselves. Did you just start taking bloods or something?
he obviously has done no research before taking this stuff
i took a handful of xanax, why did i wake in jail?
I went to a Harris/Walz rally, why is my hair blue and my penis missing
I thought 19.nors did this not just tren. I know I just posted my LDL and HDL. Mine is usually pretty good but its def wacked a bit will on NPP. Aside from the NPP all else I have kept the same. food, cardio, etc (except some extra halloween candy)
19 nors and DHT derivates are the biggest culprits, guy had the cholesterol wombo combo with masteron, anavar and tren.
I really dont get using 25mg proviron when you're already running masteron and anavar lol. Thats like adding water drops to a full waterbucket. Utterly pointless.
I take the Proviron to lower shgb and raise the free test.
Results on this cut cycle:
Test =3,441
Free Test=1080
SHGB=8
I really enjoy proviron, i can tell the difference when taking it and it takes my libido through the roof, but that could be the Tren as well.
Maybe 3 orals was a little too aggressive for this cut.
How often are you doing cardio and to what intensity?
What supplements are you taking to protect your heart and are you taking any cholesterol support supplements?
Just ran a 20+ week multiple compound cycle. Bloodwork came back great on cycle and now I just got bloods done a month after cycle and everything is great. Actually cholesterol numbers are better than ever.
Stack really isn't insane like others are making it to be. Drop the clen, you don't need it. And only run 1 oral at a time. Get some good heart and cholesterol supplements and up the cardio.
Not much cardio, I have been very busy at work. So after 90 min in the gym 5 to 6 days a week, its hard to find time.
Supplements...Like a Pro complete health and on a Dr. prescribed Statin for cholesterol.
Again, never had numbers this high before.
This was at the end of my cut, so I'm off cycle now. Iwill retest bloods in 8 weeks.
Lmao
You just answered your own question
It’s a tough combination at those dosages and at that age. Like @Jockstrap said, is he getting ready for a show? It’s his body, but pretty harsh for vanity.
some people are funny guys
I've had very similiar cholesterol numbers and it was for sure the Anavar.
Will take several weeks to return back to normal range after the Var clears your system.
Tren also supposedly kills HDL/LDL ratio, however I have never run it and can't speak from experience.
Your stack is insane. You doing nationals? Risking life for plastic trophy?
Cruise til january? So real dr prescribed trt? Better research cholesterol fixes. Oatmeat etc. Good luck.
I never thought of it as an insane stack. I just paired compounds that would work well together. As a former fat guy, 320 lbs, I wanted to try doing a cut. It worked very well. Here was my thought process.
Test for a base
Mast for lean muscle and to keep estrogen in check, which didn't work very well.
Tren for body recomp.
Var and clen for fat loss
Prov to free up test
Cialis for blood flow
HGH because why not.
I thought my liver and kidneys would be my biggest problem but I take a supplement for that.
Yes this is insane for someone at 19% bodyfat and 48 years old...
Did you even researsch what you're using?
Anavar alone would have fucked your lipids but you're also on tren and mast.
And the next stupid act you're going to commit is using arimidex when you don't have symptoms of high e2 and are going to come off high test.
The smart thing to do is go on true trt during your cruise and see where your e2 is at after that.
Yes, I did plenty of research and have taken these compounds before, except clen. I always do bloods before, mid cycle and after. Off cycle all my markers are good. On cycle, sometimes my LDL is high. It was just weird to me that every cholesterol result was off. I was really just curious if others experience that as well.
I dont take any AI because of exactly what you said, no sides, no AI. Usually my E2 creeps into the 120s on a blast cycle, so 147 on this was surprising to me.
My cruise will be 200 test for 8 weeks. Bloods again before next cycle.
Clen causes heart valve damage. Ie death. You have a kitchen sink approach without the proper kitchen included. No crazy concoction does the things imagined. Gear only aids in muscle recovery and thats IF your gym and foods are inline with goals. Be safe