+ 1 Can anyone explain how my numbers are so high?
These results are after 6 weeks of running 437.5 test c, 350 deca, 600 primo and .5 arimidex e3d. The test is from titans.to, primo from onlythebestaas and deca from the now defunct dc pharma I've got older blood work that has shown I'm a rather high responder to test. But this is just ridiculous. I have prior results from the same batch of test c showing my total t is 880 at 105 mg/week and a bit over 1000 ng/do at 120 mg/week.
There are 2 things I can think of here. First I've been doing 1 weekly shot of tne starting at week 4. Anywhere from 50-60mg PWO. The last shot was done about 75 hours before my blood was drawn for the test. The other thing I've heard is that some blood tests aren't sensitive enough to not include the deca in with the test. I was under the impression that doing the uncapped total t test was the more sensitive version of the test but maybe I'm wrong here?
I've been happy with the results i've had in both strength and physique over the last 7 weeks. I expect the next 9 weeks to be even more impressive. I have run a similar set up before with DC's primo. All the same dosing actually. Those results are the 42XX number from January. Some people had some questions about whether the primo has some test p in it or something. I suppose thats possible considering who it came from. I ordered the exact same test for each one of the results listed in the picture. Also this time around my e2 numbers are a fair bit lower than previous runs. And i'm taking 50% less adex now. So that leads me to believe that this primo is probably more legit than the prior stuff.
So eroids, anyone have an idea on how to explain these results?
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Good responder, overdosed product, there’s a few reasons. There’s also the VERY good possibility that the deca from DC is in reality testosterone. With 5mg of cialis added of course.
Edit- after looking at your prolactin, yeah, that deca is testosterone.
ALOT of variables like you said. But trouble shooting will make it a bit easier to figure out. Like I said earlier, him eliminating that deca should be where he starts at.
I do actually have npp from another vendor that I used for the first 3 weeks as a jumpstart. I'm now on week 7 I think. And I can't say I've noticed any difference in how my joints feel since switching to just the deca. But only testing will tell for sure.
Yeah man at this point just let the testing figure it all out. I know it can be a bit frustrating though. Hey best case scenario is you're a good responder like I am, which has it's benefits. In other words it's not a bad thing
I wish I responded to gh like I do gear. I get sky high test numbers at reasonably low doses but even at 7 iu of gh I'm still only in the upper middle of the reference range. I should just be happy I'm a high responder to something though. There's gotta be guys out there who don't respond well to either.
Goes to show how we are all different but your 7 IU score is a lil crazy lol. If I had to choose I'd rather be a good responder to test than to GH
How do you come to that conclusion based on prolactin? I've been using this deca on and off in low dose for joints for a while and i can say my joints feel significantly better when i've running 100 mg/wk on top of my usual trt.
Very long half life, even at low doses, after a while you’ll have a significant amount to n your bloodstream, not saying you’d be off the charts high, but your prolactin is perfect when it shouldn’t be. Your testosterone on the other hand, for your dosage is high. For me it’s the simplest explanation. And consider the source of the deca…
I guess when i switch to the new deca coming in we might find out if you're right.
Yeah man, definitely check back in. I’m curious
I remember this situation where you used that primo from that super hero src so it's kind of hard to speak on your situation. A few factors
Tne 1 time a week is a waste. Half life is 6hrs in oil and 4 in aqueous.
Huh? 1 time a week? @Black90tsi you work out once a week? Guess I'm missing something
Nah 5 days a week currently. But if you know of legit 1 workout a week program that works in game to try it! As I said below in my response to anvil. I was told that using it every day, or at least every workout, the body will do what it does with most chemicals and grow a tolerance. I use it on one leg/back day a week as legs are my weakest area so I get a nice bump in drive and desire to push extra hard even though I hate training legs.
I also don't want to get dependent on using it to have a good workout. I did actually use it several days in a row at first. I didn't notice it as much on day 3 as I did day 1. I'm open to try something else if there's a suggestion that sounds like it might be worth trying though. I am here to learn after all.
So it would obviously be more than once a week which was strange. Anyways enjoy brother
@Black90tsi complex carbs 2hrs pwo. Tne hour pwo. Honey in coffee or your choice as you head to gym. Carb load greatly helps pump. Complex and mid grade carbs assist timing. Tne is slow compared to aqueous. 50mg to me is plenty as a pep boost when needed but boost its effects with science. Carbs pump you up. Lifting weights burns only carbs. So fuel the tank and put on the headphones. I agree in not using it continually as it is advanced. Not because its magic but because its timed plus the e2 spike.
I have been using a stimulant pwo lately. I started getting up earlier to hit the gym before work instead of after. Without that caffeine to kick me in the ass i'm dragging in the gym at 5 am. I do have a dextrin based carb drink. Would it being liquid help it absorb faster than solid food?
Liquid carbs will absorb faster because theres not time needed for initial breakdown. Digestion in general starts in your mouth by enzymes. So solids do require extra time.
Carbo force used to be my favorite pwo. Short medium and long chain carbs in a bottle. Id chug half to get carbs in system and sip as needed during workout. Energy and pumps for a brutal session.
Tne----agree on use only if needed. Its in my arsenal but not often used. If im dragging butt that much i typically do a 'round the world' routine or rest so the CNS is happy. Around the world is a fun way to have fun plus not miss a session entirely. Walk in and pump body part 1...then opposite area for pump 2. If that makes sence. Might be like bis, calves, delts, shrugs, quad extensions, tris, abs....just a good pump all around.
I'm willing to give the carb drink + stim pwo a chance. I'll have to get some honey to complete your suggestions. I assume just eating a spoonful of honey is acceptable instead of mixing it with coffee since i'm getting my caffeine elsewhere?
Yes! Medium chain sweetness.
Fast comparison is think about cutting where youre lowering carbs and less pump. Compared to a mass builder where good carbs are going strong with big pumps and added energy. I think youll be happy with the route
Ill add the honey to my groceryist for the weekend and give it all a try next week. Is 60 minutes pwo good for the liquid carbs?
Should be fine. It will ve a lil testing on your responce. If you finish workout feeling pumped and happy then youre set. If thr final sets youre loss on energy then adjust towards 30min. Liver stores plenty of energy so id give that a go.
Awesome man. Thanks
I see nothing wrong honestly. I mean it's test base that's in and out. Yeah I can see how you probably wouldn't want to be dependent on it. Figured you had to be working out more than once a week though
I'm not using it as the base test in my cycle. I use it pre workout and i find that those workouts i push myself extra hard and love every second of it. But if you think it's a waste what would you suggest?
anvilI suggest you use exactly as you because its working for you.
A more experienced guy I go to for advice warned me that, as with most chemicals, your body will get used to it if you use it too often and you'll need to up the dose to keep getting the same results. Id love for every workout to have the drive and aggression as those ones do. But Im ok with just using it on 1 back/leg day a week. Legs are absolutely my weakest area so I use the added drive to really push myself that day.
I also have some anavar that I'll crush up and let dissolve under my tongue an hour pwo 1-2 times a week. Generally on my 2nd leg/back day at a minimum. 10-20mg gives a hell of a pump and serious vascularity. Having a couple different tools to break out is nice.
But I'm certainly open to this guys suggestions on how to use tne differently. Maybe he's got a better way. I'll never know if I don't at least ask.
You should be good man and your buddy that warned you is right.
Bloody Enjoy it buddy!!
BysandtrysNandrolone can show up as test on some labs
It skews the numbers on free (bioavailable) testosterone, not total testosterone numbers.
That has been thought to be the case. I'm not 100% sure on that
BysandtrysMost get the the regular lab which uses ECLIA.
Sensitive test uses the LC/MS, its about 3x more expensive to order, but much more accurate.
Nandrolone has been known to show up as Test on that test similar to how Tren can show up as E2 on the nonsensitive estradiol test.
425mg test + 300mg deca is over 725mg,
Kinda adds up if you think about it.
His total test is actually right in the ball park of what 700mg of test per week would give me.
Yep you hit the nail on the head. Yeah I've heard about how LC/ MS was more accurate. I remember the thought awhile back was it was half deca half test. Thanks for clarifying though
The thing is i'm only running another 70 ish mg of test a week and the same deca dose as compared to the prior primo thread i posted with crazy numbers yet i'm almost 50% higher total t this time around. So now idk what to think about those older numbers.
Damn you do seem to respond with high numbers according to your history. So look if it's really bothering you then you should troubleshoot and drop the deca that came from DC and go from there. If test numbers go down then you already know what the issue is. Just a thought though. Cheaper way.
Also I know that current src's test c isn't usually overdosed so can't be that
I mentioned in another response i have some deca 300 coming in from another vendor for a promo. As soon as it arrives i'll be switching to that so my 2nd mid cycle bloods will be done with that instead.
Keep us posted my man. I'm curious to see what's up
Kinda what I'm thinking. But now I want to know how many guys here actually get the sensitive test vs the standard. I just want to know if I'm making comprable comparisons to others results.
LC/MS is all I order. Same with estro
I remember someone thinking his deca or primo was testosterone. If that's the case then of course your numbers will be high but right now we just don't know. I remember your situation like yesterday
i was using dcs primo. i adjusted the primo dose higher and kept test dose the same. my test and estro levels went up a significant amount. tested lc/ms and sensitive e2. so yea def not using any more of his stuff. some of my vials unopened has floaters in it as well lol
I've got a few different things from him still sitting unopened and i'll never touch them. But the test c and deca i got around 18 months ago that i've already used some of the batch and have blood work on i'll finish up. I am waiting for some deca 300 from another vendor for a promo. When it shows up i'll be switching to that.
Yeah something seems definitely off. Wish we had a solid answer. Now I will say this, there were a few batches of his test c that were very potent. I remember seeing very high scores on it.
I've still got some of his test c and sust that are things i'll still use. But this time around i'm using titans test c. It just happened to be what i was already using for my trt and i have blood work for both of my recent trt dosage adjustments so i know it's decent stuff.
I should hopefully have more blood work results in 6 weeks or so. I'll post them up when i get them so we'll have another reference point to work with here.
Wow. If you kept test dose the same estro and test shouldn't of went up significantly, if anything estro would of went down while increasing primo. And floaters huh? What kind? Black or just crystal type
exactly. regardless of primo dose my test levels shouldnt shoot up by around 1000 ng/dl lol. floaters were black. i went to look back at my test c and e. they all had some sort of shit inside it. i got bloods and vouched for him at the time but it sucks.
Yeah I dealt with him for a short minute. I never saw any floaters but I remember one member posting something in regards to having a black floater in his vial. DC's response was it could of been anything that caused that floater.
Are these unused vials that have floaters in them? Or is it something you had been using and maybe those are pieces of the rubber seal in there?
had 1 that was unused and 2 opened. im religious about being clean. none of them look like rubber stopper material inside.