posted Fri, 05/24/2024 - 04:01
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-1 First Cycle (Need Advice)
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Planning to do a 20ish week first cycle. I need advice on what i could add/improve on.
Weeks 1-6 300mg/wk test e E3.5D
Weeks 7-12 400mg/wk test e E3.5D
Weeks 13-20 500mg/wk test e E3.5D
Weeks 21-24 250mg/wk test e E3.5D
(lowering dose before coming off to not have horrible hormone fluctuations)
Weeks 1-12 1000IU/wk HCG EOD
Weeks 14-20 20mg Var ED
I have Adex on hand but ive heard that Aromasin is better, so im buying that also. I will dose as sides come.
PCT -
Wait 3 weeks then
First 10 days 1000IU HCG ED
Afterwards 40mg Nolva 100mg Clomid ED weeks 1-4
Weeks 5-6 20mg Nolva 50mg Clomid
Im 10% bf, 170lb 5'7. Going to do a 500kcal surplus, followed by a 6 week cut on Var.
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Hey, I’m thinking about doing my first cycle of test e. I’ve ran a few cycles of sarms rad, Lgd, mk677 and done the proper pct. I’m looking for more so I’ve turned to test e. I’m planning on pinning 2/week at 150 each totaling to 300 a week while taking hCG during and 2-3 weeks post. I just need help with post cycle and how to keep it on the down low. I don’t want to be fought by my wife or kids pinning my cheek twice a week. Any other advice would be appreciated
I like that you're being cautious in your approach here, especially as a new user. Now there are different theories regarding pyramiding your doses of testosterone the way you are rather than just hitting a blast off the hop. Both work. Starting off lower like you are allows for the body to adapt to the uptick more gradually and get more from less as far as the speed at which your receptors get used to certain dosages. That being said 300mg/week is not very much to be running for 6 weeks. I would probably ramp up to 400 faster like within 2 weeks of use. 500 is a good beginner blast dose but with a cycle of this duration you may find that once your body adjusts to the higer doser that your progress starts to stagnate a little bit as the cycle progresses. Tapering off is always a good idea so its not such a drastic slump just keep in mind that its tough mentally to see your body not responding as it once did. So as far as the test goes I would suggest going up faster, really focusing on your diet and increasing clean calories to maximize muscle growth.
Now as far as hCG goes there is some benefit to running it on cycle to stimulate your gonads but its not going to add anything really as far as muscle goes while on a blast. Taking it on cycle especially in the beginning seems rather counter productive to me almost redundant. If anything I would throw it in at the end when you're tapering off.
As for anavar its a fantastic drug. I love it. You can however run it for longer than 6 weeks as its fairly mild on your system. 8 and even 10 weeks would be totally fine as long as you're taking care of yourself, eating right and possibly taking NAC, Tudca or some liver care product. 20mg is low for a man with underground gear. I know the stuff I have is really high quality and I take 40mg and it does wonders so maybe try upping it a couple of days and see how that feels in comparison. Again its mild so you can do it with no issues.
As for your PCT this is great. You wouldn't believe how many muppets I know that think taking steroids is like taking creatine and that they don't need to invest in PCT and will just drink on cycle and come off drastically without doing things properly. Its actually insane. 1000iu HCG ED is pretty aggressive. You could probably get away with 1000iu EOD and be fine.
I've been doing this for alot of years now. 20 or so to be exact and this is just my opinion and input based on my experience.
Anyways, happy cycling and I hope you reach the goals you set out to attain.
God bless.
What you put here as your stats differs from your profile, with that being said I’ll go off of what you posted here. Some guys simply don’t carry a lot of muscle naturally, we’re all built differently and genetic potential is going to vary greatly. If you’re honestly 170lbs 10%BF at 5’7” and 30 years old, you’re in very good shape. I’d highly recommend getting bloodwork done to make sure you’re ok for this and to get an idea of your baselines. As far as the drugs go, keep it testosterone only for your first run, and get bloods done again to see how you respond. Good luck with it and most of all make it fun, you’re going to be surprised what supraphysiological levels of testosterone will do. Frankly I’m not sure how much of a surplus I’d go to already being in that condition, I’d probably just bump up my protein, make adjustments to the macros. Any chance you can post a pic of that 10% ?
This is just avredo of your other post. Still listening to noone like before. Wasting members timr trolling. Jyst do it then. Stats dropped 8% bf from last post too....wow! In just 3 days!
You were right, fucks wrong with these dudes. Gotta be more careful, because like you said, time gets wasted
You’re 5’7” 170lbs. There’s plenty of meat left on that bone for you to grow naturally. Save the first cycle for when you need it. @NWApatches
fusionfuryyeah that sounds good, i’ll give it some time. im not in any rush
Yeah I read this earlier and didn't even bother. It falls out on deaf ears and blind eyes almost. I'm 5'9 and was 205# natural. everyone thought I was cramming a shitload of gear, veins busting out of my shoulders and chest. But you already know alot of guys aren't really about this life of lifting heavy fucking weight and eating heavy. SOFT - my girl is 170 and I keep telling her to eat more. You gotta be two something to do something
fusionfuryholy shit. do you have any pics from around that time? thanks. im in no rush especially after considering all that was said. thanks
Somewhere.
anvilLove the 200 moto..
2Sumthin 2Do Sumthin…. bro, I’m stealing that
I noticed your comment about the lowering dose before coming off to not have horrible hormone fluctuations. Thinking along those lines I would say you are probably better off shortening the cycle, shorter the cycle the faster your body should recover from slowing/stopping natural test production.
Why do you want to do a 24 week cycle? I just personally think that is a very long time especially for a first cycle. My early cycles were typically 10 weeks and the effects were dramatic. Maybe this isnt the advice you were looking for but I would do 500mg/week for 10 weeks for a 1st cycle. Use the rest of the gear for your 2nd cycle and add the Anavar in after you have seen the effects of just test give you.
If you do stick to 24 weeks I would just pick a constant dose and stick with it.
The HCG you can start 1-2 weeks after last injection, I wouldn't wait 3 weeks.
Nolva I do 40-20-10. 40mg/day for 2 weeks, 20mg/day for 2 weeks, then 10mg/day for 2 weeks. Comes out to 50 tabs.
I just noticed is that 1000iu HCG/week on weeks 1-12? Ive read the body can become dependant on the HCG if used for extended periods of time at high doses. A safer dose would be around 250iu once a week if you do want to use it on cycle.
fusionfuryi do think 24 weeks is definitely a lot, but 10 weeks doesn’t make the most sense in my eyes. even if i front loaded it would be ~8-9 weeks and no way im front loading something i’ve never used before. im NOT going to use Var especially since my first cycle should be mass focused, i can cut natty just fine. thanks for the kind words.
anvil10 weeks - Totally disagree, medical evidence on this part my guy. Unless you are using prop/acetate peak serum levels don't occur until 6 weeks in, why run a cycle to have peak levels for less then the total cycle it self my guy.
24 weeks cycle - Agree maybe a little long but still rather stay on and reap benefits then being up and down how many times per year at 10 weeks ?
Natural Suppression - will occur well before 10 weeks, so you are just suggesting a roller coaster of starting and stopping and that is why the real ones don't do this.
HCG - Wrong 250iu per week is no where near enough, where are you getting this info my guy.
Listen to Pumped or Sparta here, you do not need much to grow from 170.
Truth. Don’t use dosages of compounds that will obliterate your health makers, maintain anabolism and just grow. It takes time!
This 100% I took Makwa and Press1 advice and bumped my GH from 2IU up to <>3.6IU and it’s a huge difference. I don’t go any higher than 4IU and do take the weekends off, but yes I’d suggest the slightly higher dosage if you want more visible results. I’ve ramped things up thanks to the promo, and next week I’ll be adding the Masteron. Things are going well.
Nice bro, that bump up to 3.6 was a good play. Takes you out of that quality of life bracket and over to where the magic starts to happen. Love hearing you say things are going well
It’s funny how much of a game changer it really is. Like I said, over 4 isn’t for me, I can notice some issues at 4, but definitely feel incredible and the results are coming fast. Looking forward to the masteron, the ol nips are acting up a little bit lol
Around 4iu is a sweet spot as far as cost and risk to reward ratio imo, also generally described as the entry level “bodybuilding” dose. I love growth and am willing to dose it fairly high. I also am understanding of the risks and able to mitigate the mitigatable (new word 10pts) ones. Right now, I’m at 2.5iu just as a maintenance dose while I run IGF-1 LR3. When I finish that peptide, I’m excited to work my way back up for the growth and recovery. Although, I am not looking forward to being a sleepwalking zombie or waking up in the middle of the night having to piss, my dicks hard af (cialis) and both arms completely numb lol
fusionfurythat’s my thought process exactly, better to be at the top end then the very bottom. thank you
anvilExactly my guy.
Lose the var, just do test only for first cycle and pick a dose 300-500 and stay consistent on that dose the whole cycle. Whats your science on pyramid cycling? Your still completely shutting yourself down either dose. Id start PCT 2 weeks after last shot unless doing something like deca a wait 3 weeks.
fusionfuryi have no idea how my bloods will look at 300 vs 500. at almost double the dose, i wanna see how i FEEL on 300mg, get bloods and go from there. im definitely not going to use var now, i should 100% be focusing on mass. thanks for the kind words