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I'm currently thinking about switching labs, the reason is I'm almost 6 weeks into my first test e only cycle and I can't seem to ged rid of PIP. I've read a few reviews about the lab I'm using and apparently I'm not the only one with this problem. But I was just wondering, is it worth it to give another lab a try? I know we're not allowed to name brands here so maybe someone could tell me if I could find some kind of "list" or anything with the most reputable ones.
Btw, my injection technique is pretty good and I honestly don't think it's because of that, but maybe someone has had the same problem as me and could tell me how they solved it.
I'm pinning .6 ml every tuesday evening and saturday morning, alternating between quads and butt.
Does the carrier oil play a role here? I'm using one with MCT oil.
Sorry, I'm new to this and the pain's getting real annoying, sometimes I can't even walk for 2-3 days and it gets in the way with my leg workouts.
Other than that the cycles going pretty good, notice some gains and improvement in strength. I got bloated also but I think that's because i started eating so much (around 4500cal).
Any tips would be appreciated.
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I was using MCT oil and Pip was terrible. I couldnt even lift my arm for 5 days when i pinned my shoulder with 250mg test e. Then I switched to grape seed oil and zero pip since. Try to switch to different carrier oil.
I'll try some test from another lab, if that doesn't help I'll try one with a different oil
Two things I wanted to chime in on here brotha. From what I have gathered, quads can be super hit or miss for some fellas. Some guys have no trouble at all with quads and others cant walk correctly for a day or two following quad inj. When you say 'Butt' are you doing ventroglute, or main glute muscle? I use MCT carrier oil as well big dawg so idk if that would be cause for issue or concern.
My suggestion would be to try doing delts, I hit my delts with zero issues whatsoever. Im mainly doing delts, and ventroglute when my delts feel a lil tender still since im 3x week injections. Cheers buddy best of luck.
Thank you bud, I'll try another lab and if that doesn't work I will try a different carrier oil.
I pinned delts once and it hurt for a week lol. Modtly done ventroglutes till now, still hurts but not as much as the first few times, quads on the other hand hurt like hell, have to take painkillers so I can walk
im sorry youre having to go thru that mate, if you have never pinned the area before it can be like that but you do get used to it, i hope you can get it sorted and throw us an update letting us know how you're going and what it eventually ended up being. Best of luck and cheers brotha man
Hey man, ended up using another lab with a lower concentration. Pinned 2 days ago and literally 0 PIP. So I guess that was the problem
If the high concentration is the issue you could try diluting that stuff with either another compound (if you're running one) or just straight up mct/grapeseed/castor oil. Just order some pharma grade stuff online, then mix whatever your normal dose of the test is with an equal amount of the other oil. It will dilute the concentration and should knock down the pip you deal with. This way you don't have to waste the money you spent on the test that's giving you issues. Also as others have said warm the oil. I draw up my injection before i hit the shower then wrap up the needle in a small heating pad on the second of 4 levels while i'm in there. It goes in much smoother this way. If you happen to be using insulin syringes you can warm the bottle itself up on medium-high then draw it up and inject with the same outcome.
I use my quads and have found that going from midway down my quad to a couple inches from the bottom on the outer edge to be the least uncomfortable spots. I've never done ventral glutes. But the main glute has been the least painful spot i've tried so far. Even when it was a virgin muscle it got kind of sore but i could still sit on it for 8 hours a day at work no problem.
As a number of people have pointed out, it’s the high concentration. My first cycle was with test E 300, and the pip was awful. Shit was fire though, and I blew up. These days I mainly run test cyp dosed at 250 or less because it tends to have less PIP, at least for me. I would also recommend avoiding blends of different compounds that are dosed high. They can be pretty brutal.
I would love to hear which Lab this is. I use two different labs Test blends that are 350mg without a hint of PIP. I’ve also been using a reputable labs TestE/Deca 400mg with zero PIP. I do warm just about everything I use though, so you may want to try warming it up if you’re not. It’s winter time, and although I keep everything in a bag and in a drawer, I can tell that my oils are all a little thicker and a little hazy prior to heating. Once heated, everything looks normal again.
I would still love to know which source’s Test E you’re using though, LOL.
You can get steril oil for injection off amazon. Add in .25cc and warm the barrel to roughly 90degrees. Warm oil speeds flow and absorption. Hot pad to pin site too helps. Do not rub or massage pin spot.
I wouldn’t trust anything from Amazon. I got bootleg air purifier from them a bootleg Sandisk memory card. My brother bought an eotech sight and it was a cheap knockoff. That thing was 800$. They won’t refund. I went through stuff I bought on Amazon and found that 50% of stuff there was bootleg. I’d would get the MCT oil from a reputable medical supply shop. They will send it.
Fake eotech gotta hurt!! True true. Gpz etc used to have stuff. On amazon theres a label there thats used here on eroids and appears to be the same.
That honestly hurts my soul about the Eotech sight man, my heart goes out to your bro. When he saves his lunch money back up, I really enjoy my Holosun optic if hes looking for a solid optic to run over his chinese Eochong.
I have a real eotech and love it but his is a knockoff.
Great advice, although having to pin a higher volume of oil. For something as basic as Test E is completely unacceptable and ridiculous to me. I could understand a 400mg Test, but 300mg??? I would throw that shit in the toilet. I’m guessing it’s either very overdosed, garbage raws, or an allergy to the carrier oil. There is one particular brand that I can’t go near without horrible PIP, yet I’ve never heard anyone else complain about the guys gear. I chalked it up as ‘it’s not for me”, and moved on.
Looks like the cause was the high concentration because I got a new one from another lab with 250mg/ml, pinned 2 days ago and got 0 PIP from it.
You're right it's probably way overdosed. Probably closer to 400mg/mL than 300mg/ml. You can do all the warming the pin location all you want but that doesn't totally take away pip for some in this case.
Id go with new lab and save the current for blending down the road. Agree with ya, its not worth the pain
I've spoken with him and its not actually a Lab you would expect to be bad for PIP, but then again its one I have never tried so I really can't comment on what they are like. They use MCT.
Let me know what source if you can
I sent you a friend request, had a few questions
I love mct. Wonder pin size, massage, no heat, etc. Honestly the labs now are leaps better than old days. Where pip was normal. Lol
I wonder why we cant say the source i had a favorite for many years. And then his test 300 gave me this god awful pip. No way should it be this bad. I mentioned it to him he said OHH NO one else has complained. Then i did see some on his page complain. So i said okay orderd a different source test 300 and pins just fine
I tried to be loyal until i couldnt handle the pip of test anymore
He probably doesn’t want to blow up the source, because you are allowed to ask these questions on a sources discussion page.
A few factors that can be an issue for you. Yes it could be a small chance it's the carrier oil, could also be the amount of solvents in vial or it could be bad test e raws, which I experienced a few years ago. As far as oils...mct gives me more pip than grapeseed oil or mig.
What is the concentration? If you are using anything above 250mg/ml then you can expect pip.
Yup, using one with 300mg/ml. But wouldn't it kinda be the same if I used one with 250mg/ml because in that case I would have to inject .7-.8 ml instead of .6, or am I wrong? I've heard if you inject more oil you could also end up with more pip.
Two different strengths so it wouldn't be the same as far as pip. Also, again you have to beware of the raws. Hopefully it's a reputable src. I'm pip sensitive so I have no choice but to try and be careful
It is the concentration, not the volume causing pip. Now if you were pumping 3ml into a spot it might cause some pip but wouldn't be crippling. Glutes for sure can take 3ml no problem. Get some normal dosed gear and you should be good.
Thank you for your help man!
I use grape seed oil to cut down higher concentrated compounds. I also wrap the vial in a heating pad for 10 min or so until it’s basically too hot to hold. I went from having bad pip from some things, to none at all. I got it on eBay for $13, 100ml vial. What size needle are you using? Also as others have said, there are different “mct” oils, some better than others. Maybe ask the source which mct he uses or if it’s a mig oil.
I’d also never subq anything over .25-.3ml roughly. I find when I do .5 or more, it’s just better to IM it.
Could also get some sterile MCT oil to cut the gear with and that will help also. Just easier to use normal dosed gear though. Virgin muscle is part of your problem also. Couple cycles down the road that higher mg gear might not even bother you anymore.
anvilHello, something is definitely wrong if you are having that PIP from .6ml for 2-3. Carrier oil can play a role but it might be the solvents or something else. I would just try another kind and avoid the quads, you can also go subcutaneous injections. What size pins are you using?
Can you subq mct/mig 812 oil? I was under the impression you couldn’t. Only grape seed oil or cotton seed oil could be subq. Can anyone confirm for me?
anvilDefinitely can subq MCT oil, subq depot can hold 1ml, but I wouldn't do more than .5ml.
Thanks for the answer. Yeah I've read that a high content of BA plays a role regarding PIP.
I'm using enanthate though, wouldn't it be absored even slower if I go subq?
For drawing, I use 23g and for injecting 26g 1".
Yes BA, which is a alcohol solvent plays a part in pip and so can bad test E raws. Bad test e raws were a serious problem a few years ago.
The one I'm using has a BA content of 9.45mg and .3ml of benzyl benzoate
BA can be from 1-3%
What milligram? 250mg/ml, 300mg/ml?
.I didn't see you post that
300mg/ml
That's more than likely your problem. And you might be looking at an overdosed 300mg vial. I've seen 300mg test e test at 340mg/ml before.
Thank you, I'll try one with 250 and maybe with little less BA if I can find one. Would you suggest trying one with a different carrier oil or should I stick with the MCT for now?
Normally 250mg/ml isn't loaded with BA. But the thing is BA is out of system within a few days, if not a day.
If you haven't had an issue with 250mg/ml in mct oil then it shouldn't be a problem. Mct oil is very thin most of the times. Alot of folks like myself like grapeseed oil but we all are different so you have to see what works best for you. Stay away from high mg gear though.
You all helped me a lot, thank you
Welcome and be safe man
anvilNo problem, yeah might be but I never have gotten PIP from subq. The pins are good so, other than subq the other option is try another brand. FR me if you need anything else.