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Hello fellas, Starting up my 2nd cycle 5'10/44/208lb. have oral 10 superdrol that was bought for a friend and now they decline using.
I am taking cyp at 500 and Npp at 300, its been about 10 days since I started and not feeling any result yet. I am here to ask what would be suggested for the SD.
I thought I could use it to jump start my progress and run it for 30 days, or longer. Does npp need to be pinned more then twice a week? should i change it to 3x? or eod?
If the sd is not a good stack, id like other suggestions to use it for.
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I've ran superdrol several times even at high dosages, never has it impressed me. Maybe just had bunk gear but had tried multiple sources.. try it,,, listen to your body bump it up, bump it down try to dial it in or trash it. We're all different in response to compounds. I never had any luck running it. Good luck brother! God bless.
I suggest flushing the SD down the toilet, LOL. I’ve never made it past one week on that shit without feeling like complete shit, and it always takes me about a week to feel better, which really sucked. I’ve only tried running it twice, and the third time was when I ran some Anavar that I got for free in a promo. By day seven, I realized it wasn’t Anavar because I felt the same exact way again. I’ve run Anavar several times without feeling anything like that. The source insisted it was Anavar, but I know it was the furthest thing from it. This is the risk we take when running promo gear from a UGL I guess. Your friend probably gave it to you for the same reason. Some people really like SD but I wouldn’t ever use it again. I like to feel good on cycle.
You know the crazy part about that oral is it's di-methylated which is worse than methylation. Nasty stuff man. I remember it putting folks in the hospitals left and right. No fearmongering just telling the truth. But hey some folks used this stuff.
It is completely garbage in my book. Nothing is worth feeling that bad, not to mention everyone asking how I’m feeling because I look so bad for a whole week after discontinuing it. I mean, I’ve overrun Tren E in the past, and recover faster from that than I did Superdrol. Meanwhile, the Tren E takes a while to leave your system. Go figure.
At 10 days into a Test Cyp cycle you are only just getting the hormone high enough for it to do anything, so I am not surprised you aren't necessarily seeing any gains yet. I'd be surprised if you have even trained every muscle group 'twice' yet while being on steroids. If you had hit everything 5 times so far on Cyp and NPP and still nothing then it may be time to look at how you are eating/training and whether your gear is good or not. In regards to the Superdrol you'll be lucky if you can even make it to 10 days let alone 30 plus! You realise its one of the most awful and dangerous oral steroids there is to run and you are going to be taking it on your first round of the rodeo with Oral steroids?! Good Luck ...... It's twice as devastating on the Liver as even the mighty Anadrol is - just think about that for a second. For a second cycle just stick with Cyp and NPP and the results will come.
thanks for the input, i am really thankful for this place and all of you guys and your knowledge. sd gets thrown in the drawer for later use, I am going to switch from tues and friday, to mon, wed, friday. and see how it changes, again thanks for the replies!
Like I mentioned below, we are discussing injection methods and what's ideal, but just as important as that is to let you know that using SD or NPP for a second cycle isn't ideal since we're talking ideal. SD especially should not even be a thought in your mind at this point. To put it in perspective I've been in the game awhile and have never even touched SD. Hope that helps.
SD and a 19nor not really a good choices for 2nd cycle. I would drop both and just run the cyp. More steriods doesnt necessarily mean more results. Especially since this is only your 2nd cycle. Often times just means more complications for little in return at this stage of the game.
My choice for the npp is for the anti inflammatory that it helps with. I ran it for a month at the end of my first cycle. it was a god send for my daily pain. I have a few spinal surgeries, hip and knee
If you want extra relief for joint pain and things like that then Dbol is the best oral imo alongside NPP for a nice cushiony effect. Run it on 3rd cycle though lol
To the OP, I'd personally recommend to just be patient. Being its only your second cycle I don't think it necessary to start throwing too many compounds in. Start with the basics and learn how your body reacts to them. 500 test and 300 npp is a solid cycle and should/will yield gains if you're doing your part on the diet and training. As far as pinning frequency with npp.. Does it "need" to be more than twice a week..? As you can tell that's subjective person to person. But for more stable blood levels obviously more frequent the better. Hope this helps. Best of luck man!
sele137SD...First, test the waters, do a week on 10mg. See how you respond and up it to 20 if you want of the next two weeks. I would NOT go any further than 4 weeks.
NPP needs to be at worst EOD and at best ED.
Why does it need to be every day or every other day ? Not saying your wrong im just interested in the in this my self. I personally have run NPP every other and every day many times and I’ve found I can get the same results just taking it Monday and Thursday so twice a week , the plus side less injection frequency and I’m yet to find a negative, blood panels seem very similar also. Obviously I’m injecting higher doses twice weekly than every day but the same over all, first week or 2 maybe there’s benefits but it’s becomes insignificant there on
I put NPP in the same category as Test prop. You would have crazy hormone fluctuations dosing that 2x a week. More stable hormone levels, less sides, better long term gains on cycle. If you look at the steroidplotter graph of NPP every 3.5 days you get a 4 fold difference in the peak and trough. You barely have any hormone left in your system come the next pin (relative to how high it gets right after that pin).
I will throw my 2 cents in here. I have done pretty well with MWF pinning of NPP. Ideally I would like to do EOD but I can't tell you how much I hate pinning. If pinning didn't bother me much I would be all over EOD pinning with NPP. The MWF is my compromise, and it seems to work just fine. Probably not ideal but it works. 2x/wk is a no go. Been there and done that. By the time my next pin comes I can tell I have a significant drop in anabolics. Kind of start dragging ass, you probably know that feeling. MWF and the train doesn't slow down.
Lol yes you are correct...understand I'm 100% in agreement with you. I think you mean well. This is the ideal way for sure no doubt. There's ideal and there's deviating a bit from ideal.
Agreed
It most definitely is not in the same category as prop and it’s still nandrolone not testosterone and it converts differently in the body. Long story short every other day is more than enough and twice weekly is absolutely fine.
Both of you guys have a point. Yes the more pins the more stable the hormone but...I can't say either every other day or every 3 days with bigger dose will give better gains because both methods have been known to work. Difference is hormone stability. Slight difference in pharmacokinetics of prop and phenylprop. Prop at least EOD and not so much for npp but it would be better for stability
So if we suggest 2x a week pinning for something that has a half-life of 7-9 days, why would we suggest the same pinning frequency for something with a half-life of ~3 days?
So if a person is getting results will that matter? I mean I can see if no results or affects were being felt. And as for your question, it's simply because of hormone stability. Last end of my comment I mentioned that more pins are for better stability. One method may be better than other method for growth but does not both methods work? Yes. But everyday or EOD pins will obviously be better.
Exactly. There’s dozens of ways to go about the same thing. But when we give advice it should be the ideal way then they can tweak it from there with their own biology taken into account. Ideally NPP is not dosed 2x a week. But I’m a huge believer in hormone stability at the cost of more pins. I feel like the positives far outweigh the negatives.
I understand what you're saying but this guy mentioned to you that he tweaked the advice to his biology so he's telling you that it's not an issue for him pinning 2x a week and he prefers his way instead of what you were mentioning. As far as advice I didn't give him advice but I just confirmed what he was telling you. Like I mentioned more shots are better for stability but both injection methods have been known to work, so from that bit of information a person can choose what works better for them. The ideal way is more shots but ideal isn't always ideal for everyone. But I agree the more pins the better.
Right but I’m gonna start off giving the OP advice for the ideal. Then they can adjust accordingly. The guy saying 2x a week works for him is not the OP. It’s OP’s 2nd cycle and he likely doesn’t know how he reacts to all kinds of dosing frequencies.
And I'll be honest. I wouldn't advise npp or SD for a second cycle. But hey that's just me. SD second cycle? Hell nooo
The npp is for pain, i added it at the end of my first. was a god send, i got messed up from a auto accident.
Just be aware it is masking the pain and not curing it. Once you stop it you can be in worse shape than when you started because you were pushing harder than you should have been and not able to listen to what your body was telling you
You are also about double what a so called therapeutic dose would be. Better have some caber on hand and know how to use it
If that's the case I have no issue with that, I am a little more boring and conservative with what I do. But I do have an issue with SD being used for first cycles. Just saying lol.
Agree 100%
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Absolutely you're right about the second guy that's starting second cycle but I was referring to the guy that you were commenting back and forth with. All I'm saying is everyone should know there is the ideal way, which is what you're right about and there is a method of adapting from that ideal way. I'm not arguing that you're wrong at all. Folks just have to figure their bodies out. I speak on this because I'm one of those guys that has adapted from that ideal way lol.
sele137The difference is in what is optimal and what is necessary. For me, E3D is necessary and EOD is optimal. For most people, the difference is difficult to feel objectively. The pharmacokinetics of steroids or anything else is a framework that cannot always be applied in the real world because there are many more individual factors that can influence it. That's why you always start from the frame and adapt to yourself
Right, start from frame and adapt. Everyone is different and I constantly speak on this. I seen this chart before.
Being nandrolone and not test just means the metabolites are different and shut you down longer. The ester absolutely has an effect on hormone release/availability. We aren’t arguing subjective opinions here. It’s pharmacokinetics which isn’t up for debate. PP is a short ester. If you feel like you felt no difference between ED, EOD, and 2x a week that’s great, but it doesn’t change the pharmacokinetics of NPP.
Do you understand Pharmacokinetics or are you just useing big words? If you do then why would you use the Pharmacokinetics of NPP to argue for ED injections ? That makes zero sense … so Pharmacokinetics of NPP is the explanation of how it affects the body after administration , with me so far ? So the Pharmacokinetics of NPP is that it converts to nandrolone once in the body and then has an extended elimination half life … still with me ? And then on that basis it has a half life of a week and only needs injecting once a week … that’s that Pharmacokinetics of NPP but real world experience and bro science means we who use it for bodybuilding know it has a half life if 4.5 - 5 days so needs injecting every few days.. so again there is no need to inject NPP more than twice a week especially if you want to talk Pharmacokinetics. I’m no expert but if used taken gear for for over 20 years and studied everything I’ve put into my body extensively first. Please don’t take offence I’m just debating with you and really interested in other opinions and beliefs
lol don’t try and explain things to me and follow it with “still with me” and then say please don’t take offense I’m just debating. You can’t deliberately try and belittle someone and then say oh I’m just debating. I’m well aware of what the words mean and I can assure you my educational background has given me the ability to understand all of it. You’re experience with gear vastly exceeds the OPs and thus you can play with dosing schedules and understand the side effects and what they correlate to. For this being his second cycle, he should start with what is ideal for something that has a significantly shorter half-life than cypionates/enanthates/decanoates and then he can adjust from there. No matter what 2x a week with NPP with yield massive hormone fluctuations. The elimination half life of nand is ~4 hours. The half life we talk about with these compounds comes from the time it takes to cleave off the ester. The hormones by themselves are in/out of our system relatively instantaneously. Like TNE.
This has gone down a route I don’t necessarily feel like giving the energy to anymore. No hard feelings but I’m moving on.
The ideal thing would be for him to not start his second cycle with SD...if we are talking ideal. If we do this we have to go about this right.
Honestly I was enjoying the debate with you , I found it interesting and you made many good points. Our views on this are different but you sir are a breath of fresh air and debates like this are what these forums should be about. Sorry if I offended I can come across differently than I mean to when writing in text. No hard feelings
I’m not offended. I literally just don’t have the energy. Covid hit me hard last night and my toddler has been running what little energy I have left ragged. Catch me in a couple days and we can resume lol I wasn’t prepared for such ferocity from you. I fell asleep several times just trying to type some of my responses.
Lol wow. I didn't know it was like that. I think everyone had a valid point regardless who disagrees. Hope you feel better.
Sorry if you were made to feel that way. Hey I just thought we were having a good conversation. But look the more important issue is....SD for a second cycle? SD!!.. I think we probably should of been addressing that more so than injection methods.
And yes he's a newbie so nobody is disagreeing that he should do things the ideal way.
So if the half life is 4.5 days twice weekly injections would be perfectly adequate and more after is just not necessary. Explain and please don’t say the levels graph ect because we know that’s bollocks , but respectfully explain to me what the advantage is of injecting something with a half life of 4.5 days more than twice weekly is ? and in the real world is it worth it