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Let me know your thoughts on this cycle. Show is in 14weeks

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1st. Thoughts on adding low dose Tren A (100-150mg ) now 14weeks out worth it? Then increasing to 300mg for the last 8 weeks?

2nd. Any changes or suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

Makwa's picture

In all reality what compounds you use more than 8 wks out is going to have little impact on how you look when you step on stage. It is those last 8wks or so where compound choice can make a difference in the look. I don't know where you came up with this cycle but I hope you didn't pay a coach for it.

All this crap you have from metformin and everything below it, forget about. Not going to do you any good and will likely result in less than optimum condition. You are pretty skinny the way it is and all that met, clen and T3 will do is make you look really stringy and flat. You don't have enough mass to support using those, since it will eat away muscle and you can't afford to lose any. Albuterol would be fat burner of choice. Cycle 2wks on 2off the last 8wks or add ketotifin in if you really have some stubborn fat and can't cycle off the albuterol. 14 wks out though you should easily be able to hit sub 5% with a properly structured diet and cardio with a bit of albut to top it off and still come in full if you do peak week properly.

Where in the world did you come up with taking 800mg of mast. That must be a typo hopefully Lol First half of prep I would just bump test up to 500mg/wk and mast at 300-400mg/wk to let it build up in system. Who cares if test at this point makes you retain some water, it will at least allow you to train harder and help spare muscle tissue while dieting. Drop it down to 250mg/wk or so during last half and add in the tren a at 50mg EOD. Really though you may want to just reconsider the whole idea of adding in tren. What I have seen with a lot of physique competitors on tren is they come in stringy and flat, especially if they are not on the heavier end for their height.

I think that a course of low test with mast and var would provide a much better overall look. Drop all test a week out. Hit some additional winni with it last two weeks if you feel the need. Halo can be a double-edged sword, The aggression it provides is awesome when you can barely function those last two weeks because of extreme diet and need to train hard to mobilize that last ounce of fat. It can give a nice dense grainy look to the muscle if you have the mass to support its use. Once again if you start looking stringy on it drop it last week.

Diesel77's picture

Flat as a pancake and you are absolutely spot on. I too hope he didn't pay for that "guidance"...if so...."refund"

As we discussed couple of times...albuterol for the win!

Gh0st's picture

Already mentioned below what I would change for timing if you were to add the bottom stuff but do agree with Mak overall. Not needed. You’re already on the small side for your height with physique and imo shouldn’t need clen or l carn or yohimbe. If anything at most T3 would be plenty as a new fat burner with proper cardio/diet.

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wanted's picture

Wow 800 mg masteron. I love me some masteron 600 highest ive went dabm buddy.
I always heard clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off but never did it myself. Man i hope you the best bring home the trophy for us at eroids brother
I like npp for 6 weeks then jump into tren. Thats me lets see what the bigger guys say. Goodluck

JakeKO's picture

Good luck in the show! Im not experienced enough to critique your cycle, looks great to me. Only thing that creeps me out is how long you’re running Clen. I’d opt for the Tren over the Clen. I would think that could be pretty taxing on your heart considering all the other stuff you’re running. Like I said, just my concern, not my opinion.

Bigmalc16's picture

True thought about that as well, that’s why I’m running the Telmisartan the entire time too. I think I’m over thinking it and 8weeks is plenty long for Tren. But thanks for the input!

Rosschestzip's picture

the things id be concerned about would be sleep being affected negatively and if that's an issue for you I wouldn't subject myself to more of that then necessary. and 2nd id be thinking about it losing effectiveness at around 8 weeks whereas if you start at 8 weeks like you original planned you wouldn't get that loss of effectiveness till after the show or cycles over. I see you've tried addressing that by upping the dose in about 6 weeks. I know for me more isn't always better, if I add too many things that affect me negatively like sleep, eating or lethargy, its not worth running even if it was the most anabolic shit in the world because my training and recovery suffer too much. Idk just some things to think about, good luck man!

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Bigmalc16's picture

Yeah the sleep makes sense. Haven’t had those side typically but never ran it longer than 8weeks so that’s why I’m brainstorming on here if it’s worth it lol. But thanks for the input man!

Bigmalc16's picture

Damn totally forgot the stats lol
6ft
185lbs 9/10% bf
Already pretty lean. Really just seeing if adding the Tren a little early would benefit me as far as adding a little lean mass and getting tighter before bumping it up in week 8.

Makwa's picture

You are cutting for show so forget about adding lean mass. That ship has sailed and is not done entering a show prep. Your goal now is fat loss which isn't compatible with gaining muscle.

Gh0st's picture

Are you Physique? Classic? How many shows have you done? Where’s your coach?

I’ve competed 3 times and won my open class the latter two. Won novice and took 2nd in the open first show. Next to a guy that went pro a year later.

Less is more so long as you know what you’re doing w your diet and cardio. 800mg mast is overkill. 14 weeks of tren? No. 6-8 at most. 100mg of winstrol? Damn. Can feel my heartburn just thinking about it. T3 is typically cut a week out or dose at least decreased to improve glycogen retention.
L-carnitine? Nah. Save your money.

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Bigmalc16's picture

Physique competitor, this will be my first show, I prepped last year peak week and all. Two days before the show got injured and had to pull out. I have a coach, we are new to eachother just started working together 3-4weeks ago. Which is partially why I’m asking about the cycle, which I guess I should just trust the process lol I mean I’m paying the guy.

The t3,l-carnitine and clen and winny ( I’ve ran Var plenty of times ) will all be first timers for me. I’ve ran Tren before and it worked amazingly lol, probably why I’m itching to get going on it. The mast I thought was high, but I’ve also seen others say you can never go to high on mast? Not sure if that has much research behind it. Thanks for the input! All super insightful.

Diesel77's picture

Are you certain you are not confusing mast for primo? Primo is the one and only compound that IMO, has to ceiling regarding how high...the higher the better from my personal experience.

Gh0st's picture

Definitely no medical research on mast dosages like that. I’ve never had to go over 400/wk. and never ran longer than 14 weeks.

I personally hate clen and won’t run it. Ive used Albuterol and ECA stack separately. Don’t believe either are absolutely necessary. I wouldn’t add in more than 1 or at most 2 new compounds for a prep. And not at the same time. If you’re running T3 from the start wait until say 6-8 weeks out to add in the beta agonist. Or vice versa like in your suggested plan clen is first.

Winstrol is superior to var imo but much worse on lipids for most. I start that 4 weeks out. It would be at a different stage than your other new variables so I wouldn’t say you can’t. Just log everything throughout your prep. And I mean everything.

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Makwa's picture

Pretty much what Ghost said