Gyno/Puffy Nips won't go away after 7 weeks off cycle
This is a long one so apologies, but I wanna be thorough…
I started my first course a couple months ago, test e 125mg twice a week and 30mg anavar ed. Literally within 2 days I started getting insanely sensitive nips so I started taking 20mg tamoxifen a day and it cut the sensitivity right out but they became puffy after a couple more days so I hopped on adex 0.5mg each other day which didn’t do much so upped it to 1mg eod and stopped the tamoxifen but by the end of the third week I had a lump under my right nip. Clearly I am extremely prone to gyno on such a low dose despite me never having any pubertal gyno or any problems before which seems crazy but here we are. From the advice of some other posts on here I decided to come off and get my bloods done which the stats are below, my oestrodial was below average but prolactin was high so I got some caber 0.5mg e3d and switched to letrozole 2.5mg ed, dropping the adex. I carried the letrozole on for 2 weeks which helped the lump go down a bit then started my pct of tamoxifen 40mg ed and chlomid 100mg ed for 2 weeks and then 20mg tamoxifen & 50mg chlomid for the last 2 weeks. Im now at the end of my PCT and the puffiness is the same as it was almost 2 months ago, im still taking caber as well. I’m gonna get my bloods done again but i’d appreciate any advice as I’m at a loss at what to do because there’s no lump under my left nip and only a tiny one on the right but both are still very swollen despite everything I’ve tried.
My stats: 31 yrs old, 16% body fat, 5’ 10” trained for 10+ years
Hormone levels: oestrodial <18.4 pmol/L, Prolactin 433 mU/L, Testosterone 25.8 nmol/L, free test o.858 nmol/L
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I highly recommend taking a half of a nolvadex ED for awhile and see if it goes away.
Yeah I’m still on the tamoxifen so I’ll continue for a little while longer as I’ve heard it can take months to reduce it enough. Thanks
RustyhookerRead this before trying again....
https://www.eroids.com/forums/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/simple-pct-...
If im reading correctly theres quite a few errors we all learned along the way. With the link above and replies theres a lot to digest
Nolva
Adex
Prolactin
Pct
I agree with others on dbol
Nolva--- nolva is a blocker. It was created to block receptor sites so that estro cannot stimulate those areas. Breast cancer was number 1 in that blocking estro, slowed progress in growths. We use nolva mainly in pct as its secondary action is stimulating our male endocrine system.
problem is that it was blocking but as you stop its use then ALL that free estro now has places open to stimulate thruout the body
Adex-- a preferred AI during cycle to help control excess e2 so that youre anabolic but not having many e2 negative sides.
problem --all chems have a life which is why adex is e3d dosing. It works as long as you keep dosing properly and if you stop early then you get estro rebound. Estro has a life as well.
Prolactin-- yes males have a range for prolactin and its part of our chem makeup. Crashed prolactin and you have ED. Too much and you can lactate. Estro gets high and prolactin follows
problem you were really battling estrogen being outta control so prolactin did as well. Fix one and other should follow without caber in most situations.
Pct---fires up our endo system to maintain and keep our newly built muscle.
problem ---if your e2 or prolactin are raised and/or outta control then the pct will fail due to negative feedback loops. I like aro at least first week pct at 6.25ed so as you drop adex the suicidal inhibitor aromasin squashes estro into good range and by that mechanism, prolactin lowers. B6 at 300mg will assist prolactin as well
Overall its a tad bit early to suggest you convert heavily test to e2 as stated by others. Id suggest a lil reasearch and test only with proper bloods in future.
Currently, full blood screen to see if you recovered, e2 and prolactin values as well.
Thanks for that, great info there! I’ll definitely be better prepared for my next cycle. And for sure get those bloods done this week to see where I’m at
RustyhookerIf youre on tamox currently then the bloods will be skewed. Good luck sir!
Got ya, so I’m best to wait a few weeks after stopping tamox before getting bloods done. Thanks again
I would wait at least a few weeks. The half-life is around 2wks.
great I'll do that. thanks
Test E or C gets my nipples puffy too. And the odd thing is, it mainly happens at night. But because C and E are long esters, my body also needs an AI. So I’ve discovered that Sust helps out a lot more. I have a lot less sides taking sust than test E or C. But that works for me bro.. I hope you figure it out.
Also, if this is your first cycle, your body maybe having issues trying to figure out everything. My opinion bro, lower the test a little more see if that fixes the problem. It’s a mild cycle as is, but your body is not use to talking even close to what your currently pinning.
Yeah mine come and go if I’m hot cold etc but I think I’m gonna look into the surgery so I don’t have to keep popping as many pills haha. I’ll look into sust for future cycles as well, cheers
AnonSounds like the Anavar was Dbol. But that alone doesn't explain why you couldn't put the fire out.
This is my theory: You had some developed glandular tissue under the nipple before you started this cycle and you didn't know it. Maybe it was just the size of a little BB and you never noticed it. It could have been there since puberty. It could have been there from a past cycle. Who knows. But it was there, and it didn't take much to get it to grow. I think your best option is to have it cut out. I think you've thrown enough drugs at this situation. Imo, there comes a point where it becomes very unhealthy to continue to throw drugs at gyno. If the drugs are not getting rid of it then surgery is a healthier and more efficient option. If you do get the surgery you should do both nipples if the doctor can detect anything at all under the other nip, for the sake of symmetry and to prevent a recurrence. After the surgery you still gotta keep estro and prolactin in check.
Yeah I think you’re right about it being dbol cos it popped up so quickly. Thanks for the advice, think I’m edging towards surgery now as I’ve took enough as it is and like you say it’s healthier!
Great advice ^^^
I’d test that var and make sure it’s not dbol.
That’s a very low amount of test to get gyno symptoms.
Yeah I’m gonna get it tested to see, cheers
Happened to me. Var turned out to be dbol.
https://www.eroids.com/forums/general/general-talk/beware-don%E2%80%99t-...
So hard to know what’s legit even when it’s from a “good” source! Gonna test mine to see