+ 1 First time user looking for advice
Hello and thank you for taking the time to read my post.
I am hoping you guys can help me with some knowledge bombs. I understand that you may get a lot of newbies posting stuff here time and time again but I believe It is best to be as informed as possible.
My stats are:
31-year-old male
185cm
116kg
24% body fat
A bit of back story, I used to compete 5 years ago in Thai boxing and suffered a bad injury which forced me to retire. I used to walk around at about 85kg to compete at 80kg and I have done many sports throughout the years including boxing, Thai, swimming, Olympic weight lifting, American football etc so I am no stranger to the gym, diet and training methods however due to the nature of the combat sports I was competing in I had never taken any kind of performance-enhancing drugs.
Now I am fat, I can't compete anymore and I just want to get in really good shape so I have decided to have a blast at my very first cycle.
Just to clarify, I am not looking to bulk. I just want to get some help in stripping down the weight and something to aid with my recovery, as it just doesn't seem to be the same anymore now I'm getting older. It takes me a couple of days to get over a big session, which is quite a shock to the system when I used to train 3 times a day! I suppose age catches up with us all.
This is what I have come up with for my first run, it,s a 10-week cycle running mainly test and Anavar.
WEEK # - TEST C - TEST E - ANAVAR
1 - 250 - 0 - 20
2 - 250 - 0 - 40
3 - 250 - 0 - 40
4 - 250 - 0 - 50
5 - 250 - 0 - 50
6 - 0 - 330 - 70
7 - 0 - 330 - 70
8 - 0 - 330 - 100
9 - 0 - 330 - 100
10 - 0 - 330 - 100
Alongside this, I will probably run Clenbuterol and Winstrol on a 2-day on-off cycle.
The thing I really can't seem to wrap my head around is the use of AI's, SERMS and HGC as the information seems to conflict with exactly what they are. I had planned to take a small amount of tamoxifen per day but then some articles say not to bother, others say only if you feel "itchy nips". The same applies to HGC, as some folk swear by using it alongside the cycle and one particular article I came across said to steer well clear apart from the first couple of weeks of PCT.
Anyhow, any help and recommendations for a first time user alongside the proposed cycle above would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
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Jrblh24% body fat. Ya idk if that is conducive for a cycle. But if you're good with being that shape at the start then that's what it is. Test e 500 MGS a week.
RustyhookerYa idk if that is conducive for a cycle
Dont endorse a cycle when your gut feeling was right. Treat folks like youd advise your own brother.
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JrblhMakes sense I maybe thought most people are going to do something anyway but I shouldn't let that influence my response.
RustyhookerTrue true. But when they come back broken its then their own mess
first cycle keep it simple keep it low dosed,ul gain shitloads regardless..
then looking ahead this will serve you better in the future(getting more out of less)
best advice i can give to a total noob is dont do it lol
also be prepared to never be natty again potential to be on trt for life...
interms of pct it depends what your plans are following that,or when you next plan to do the next cycle??
Why are you switching from test e to test c week 6? Can someone tell me why anyone would do that? Also, how long before y’all get strength gains on test e? I haven’t touched a long ester in over a decade and I’m 3 weeks in. I know everyone is different, I just wanted to hear from someone that actually has experience. Thanks. Also, I never needed an AI on 250 test. I was always taught, don’t take it unless you need it.
for me test e i start noticing increases around the week 3 mark,by week 5 in full swing
Just because I have spare vials and the dosage is slightly bigger in the test c. From all the research I have done there is basically no difference between the pair
AnonYou need to drop your body fat % naturally before using gear. Bust your ass doing some cardio and weight training. Break a sweat working with low weight and little rest between sets. Keep the blood pumping and the sweat pouring.
Going on cycle with body fat above 20% is a bad idea my friend. Try to get your body fat below 15% at least.
And when you do run a cycle, run a Test E or Test C only cycle. Because you need to learn how your body responds to Test only first. And Test only will do more than enough for a first cycle. A simple Test only cycle will blow you away if your training and diet is good. Keep researching first cycles and working to lower your body fat before running a cycle.
Yep. Steroids are not for getting into shape.
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Thanks man, Yeah I don't plan to start anytime soon, I am just trying to get all my research in so I can start to stock pile everything as I cant afford to buy it all at once. So each paycheck I will stock up on some test, next I will get the PCT etc.
A bro. Good call to seek some advice before taking the plunge. I agree with the guys stating 500gs test split 2x's a week. Although I've done between test e/c and sus I take sus all day long. All 3 will do the trick but there's something about the sus blend that keeps you feeling amazing and tighter(that feeling where your still a bit pumped even days after a body parts been trained. But what I would add I'd 250/300 of Deca depending on the concentration it comes once a week. It's amazing for recovery and joints tendons etc. I've been blast and cruising those 2 for over 5 years. And fyi if you do decide to incorporate the deca you'd actually be ok to drop the test dosage to like 375ish a week. You absolutely do not need high doses even for the first few cycles that ratio would work outside of maybe adjusting the test to 500 and deca the same. And also have an AI ready. My fav is aromasin. And personally if possible get bloods before then maybe 3-4 weeks after cycle begins to check estro and cholesterol etc. And also there is some great info on YouTube. Check out the anabolic Doc. Great insite. Beware tho you are going to love the way it makes you feel so until your older and get to the point of permanent hrt make sure you pct after every 2-3 month cycle. You want to be able to enjoy this for the long haul so do be smart bro. Anyhow that's my 2 cents. Good luck
Thanks for the info dude really appreciate it. Yes I have booked my blood work and I am waiting to go and for the results etc, but once it comes back I will have to do some more research as I wont really know what I am looking at!
I think it's safe to say that if everything is in normal range you can pull the trigger. Have you chosen a source? Not sure if you can say who just curious if you have made a decision. If not pm me there's a great domestic that's extremely reasonable and good quality provided your in US
RustyhookerHow bad is your injuries? Anaerobic cardio post workout is the best along with cycling carbs.
They are actually fine now, I was just advised not to take any more blunt trauma to my ribcage!!
BigCactusDon't take advise from that fraud, this is what he looks like. Ask your physician.
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RustyhookerI can feel that! Makwa has fully explained food foryms that will help you cut quickly.
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The first cycle that is generally recommended mate is 500mg Test E per week split into 2 injections. No orals as you need to know how you respond to that level of Test. Anavar can be a strange oral too, depending on the lab some can make you feel a bit shitty and edgy so you could confuse that feeling with the test potentially. How did you get injured in the Thai Boxing?
I wasn't sure if 500 Would be too much as I am not wanting to put on a huge amount of muscle, split into 2 injections would then be say Sunday Wednesday split?
I broke my ribs in a bout, after about 7 weeks of rest they were broken again by falling over at work. The x-rays showed that the break was in an awkward position and I was advised not to continue due to the way the bone was split.
Don't worry mate, you won't put on huge amounts of muscle on that amount. Even on 1 gram of test you won't - you need other anabolics in the mix to do that such as Deca & trenbolone etc. But 500mg Test compared to just being natty is a whole different level of protein anabolism - you'll do well on it. Tonnes more energy and recovery & you'll feel great too
Those days would be fine to pin on.
Damn was it from a kick or knee? I started doing it just before Covid began and then the gym closed for a year, I'd just applied for my Kick boxing Licence too! Lol
Ok, that sounds great! I suppose if I am in a calorie deficit too then I won't put on any huge amount of weight. What about HCG would you recommend using it at the beginning of the PCT?
I got caught with a clean kick near the end of the fight, it was then followed up with a knee. Luckily it was in the last 45 seconds ish and I still won but I definitely should have stuck to boxing haha
I'm not sure if you'll really need it after a basic test cycle like this as you shouldn't be shut down that hard. Some guys like to run it through a cycle also to keep their nuts full, everyone reacts differently when on. See what others say bud.
Damn I bet that hurt like fuck!! I can imagine every time you breath it hurts afterwards.
It was a nasty few months of being in a lot of pain.. I remember once getting laid up comfortable where I was finally pain free and then suffering with a bout of hiccups that hurt everytime haha
So tell me this dude as its something I've always wanted to know Lol
You are in the street with some arsehole in front of you and no one has started fighting as yet - what is the best way to take him out without him second guessing where any of it is coming from, with the least possible risk of you getting hit in the meantime?
You're planning on running way too much compounds for a first cycle. Just run a test only cycle to see how your body reacts. There's really no reason to run two orals or even an oral at all. Also the effect of clen will be negligible at that high a body fat and will only cause more stress on your heart and body, diet is key to get leaner. As for AIs you will need to do bloodwork to see if you need any at all and there are loads of great PCT layouts available via the search function.
Thanks for the info, I will drop the clen altogether. I have my blood work booked in for Monday and don't plan on running a cycle for at least 6 weeks. so plenty of time to prepare
Just my opinion but,
Get your blood checked so you know where you are at. Make sure you have a diet plan you can stick to. Have your training on point. All before you start injections.
Test C and E are basically the same. If you decide to do a cycle, have all your AI and PCT before you start.
Yes, I have a diet plan and routine I am currently sticking to as I have 3 months off from work I thought it would be a good time to focus on this. The only reason I have switched the TEST is because of the dosage difference from my supplier. it comes in the mentioned dosage per vial so thought it would be easier when wanting to up the dosage slightly.
I am planning on buying everything before I start so I have it on hand, I have my PCT worked out now going with A Tamoxifen and Comid combination. I'm just still too sure about the HCG and its uses so looking for some clarification.
What would I be looking for in my bloodwork? I will book a test this week.