Mixing and pinning high concentration AAS
Hey all, am looking for people’s experiences mixing and pinning more than one high concentration AAS in the same needle - mainly I’m trying to find out if doing this is likely to result in excessive PIP or injection site reactions.
Am about to repeat a cycle I did last year that did wonders for me, but with the one downside that I didn’t really enjoy the total injection volume of 2cc twice per week, once in each glute. I’ve since switched my source and my new supplier does high concentration AAS as well as more typically dosed stuff so I’m thinking of giving them a go.
Last year I was pinning a mix of Boldenone, Deca and Test E all dosed at 250mg/1ml for a total of 2 x 2ml injections each week, one shot in each glute.
With the high conc solutions i could cut the volume in half and inject only 1ml combined twice a week.
I much prefer this idea but wanted to see if mixing high conc solutions is likely to be a problem for PIP because of the concentration or the mixing rather than the actual injection volume.
Thanks in advance
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I ran a cycle that was 3 ml twice a week. I had no pip and my results were awesome. ill have to post the pictures up here. I ran Test E 300 twice a week, Bold Und 300 twice a week, and Masteron E 200 twice a week all in the same cannon. i got absolutely yoked on this cycle. very little sides and no pip for me. now i have heard that sources that make high concentration AAS"s usually have a little pip to them but Ive never tried them myself.
Am I the only one that rubs the injection site after I pin which translates into no PIP...ever?
I actually read somewhere that rubbing the injection site after injecting is bad for you. I cant remember where I read this but Ill have to find it again.
I tried looking it up after rusty mentioned it. If you find it, post a link. Appreciate it.
Sounds anecdotal.
Try it... See if it works like it does for me. Or you can just have mama kiss it. -- -- Lol jk
I don't rub and I never have PIP...
I always warm up my oil, maybe that's why I never get PIP... That, however, is an anecdotal observation, not scientific method.
That makes sense. I don't heat my gear up. Room temp. Do what works I guess. Rubbing it for a few seconds after I pin has always helped me.
RustyhookerYa....causes added scar tissue.
Rubbing and squishing that bolus of oil around causes microtears in the muscle tissue, hence the increased scar tissue buildup
First time I've heard this. Interesting.
Immunizations, gear, whatever. If I don't rub it a bit after injection.... Pip.
Most of the ppl in my division in the Navy got bad pip before we went overseas and shortly after immunizations. 6 shots in like a 10 second period. All in the Delts. I rubbed, most did not. Almost everyone was complaining of severe pip. I was fine. Been doing this since I was kid. I must have a fuck ton of scar tissue everywhere. Lol
RustyhookerVax is about the ph in the shot and technique. Navy likes rubbing things too. Lol
Take a tbone steak.....insert a bolus of oil. Rubbing it forces it to move via tearing tissues. Its jyst like those popp bubbles used in shipping boxes.
In boot they called it Ricky boxing. Lol. But yea, loooots of rubbing. 97-03.
I like the way you explained that.
...I doubt anyone could stop me from doing that. Lol
RustyhookerHot pad if sore--pip. Or....i pin bout hour preworkout and let natural bloodflow assist.
Sounds like you no longer have virgin muscles.
The more often you pin an area, the less susceptible you are to PIP.
...but don't let me stop you from rubbing one out.
Sounds about right. First cycle was back in 03.
AnonPossible thread hi-jack....
Riddle me this Batman (tell us what you know, Rusty)...
Unless we are talking 'unprepared' gear (physically cold), i get the worse PIP from leakage (extravasation, of sorts) with certain advanced and high concentration compounds. I cant imagine 'serving that burn up' sub q on purpose.
RustyhookerSub q is your question or what exactly?
AnonIf it burns and aches from a 'muscle pin leak', would it do the same for sub-q? Im thinking maybe not, but i cant wrap my head around why a leaky pin does.
RustyhookerHigh mg or high pop gear going into a sub-q pin.....not a fun day at all. Red, sore, swelling, cellulitus, misery.
Id post up procedures to alleviate high mg pinning but the newbs get bvb ad ideas as it is. My advanced pinning guide had to be moved to the adv group.
Rustyhooker2cc twice per week, once in each glute
Thats a walking infection. Try 10 or more pin spots at 1-1.25cc. Why running a complex cycle? Layout? Pct? Bf at 190lbs? Goal.....
I wasn't really looking for advice on the complexity or layout of the cycle because im repeating the cycle i did last year and was happy with it - the only difference last year it was at at 2cc twice per week for sixteen weeks and this time i want to try the higher conc oils which was my main question. I am happy to elaborate a bit though on everything, so will try to give all the relevant details below.
First thing, at week six on the first time doing this I did actually split the compounds up and pin the Test subcutaneously, precisely because i was worried about PIP and infection, but i never had any lumps, swelling etc. I did used to work as an EMT though so am confident with my injection technique.
All in all, apart from the injection volume, It was an awesome cycle, especially in the last four-six weeks when the gains really kicked in and, due to the long esters of the injectables, continued to show a good response for at least a month or two afterwards.
PCT is not and was not a concern as I've been on 100mg TRT for the past three years. I did worry about an estrogen or prolactin rebound after the cycle but it didn't happen - fortunately my dosing size and schedule for aromasin and caber on cycle (which I had expected to need to adjust a lot but didn't) helped to keep everything in check beautifully, without gyno or mood issues.
To stave off shrinking my peanuts, since I started TRT three years ago, i've done a HCG blast every twelve weeks - 1250mg subq every five days for four shots. I take extra aromasin during this period because my test levels and e levels do go up, but i prefer that protocol to the continual 250ml every few days that some folks on TRT do - too expensive that way, and also more fiddly with storage as HCG tends not to last well for very long.
Body weight is actually closer to 200 on yesterdays weigh in (I only weigh myself occasionally so am usually guestimating) and, according to yesterdays caliper check (using the Parillo Caliper method), my body fat percentage 9.3%. Calipers are of course not necessarily on point accurate, but they are good at tracking change. Last time I weighed myself and took measurements was January, so I'm up about 7lbs and 0.2% BF percentage since then.
Goal is a slow bulk with minimal bloat and sides and decent retained mass afterwards. If the cycle goes as well as last time where i gained around 20lbs over the 16 weeks and retained 10-12lbs at the three month post cycle point, ill be happy. I also lost a fair bit of body fat on that cycle - this time, because i'm already a little more lean than i actually want to be (I'm on the verge of looking very drawn in my face), calories will be higher, so weight gain and composition of gain may well be different. We'll see, experimentation is half the fun.
Keeping test low-ish (250-300mg per week) seems good for me as I bloat a lot at 500mg/week. The deca does add a little water, but seems to compliment the test well and result in a much lower side effect profile (my body gains just as well but with less issues if i do 500mg-ish of roughly half test e and half deca than 500ml of test alone).
The addition of boldenone last time was partly opportunistic as I had a good deal on it, but also partly because i've always struggled with appetite issues and also wanted to see how well it would combine, and it did very well. It's pharmacology looked good too. Although I didn't feel bad, my hematocrit was high on my mid cycle blood work so I donated at the local drive and did so again about a month post cycle - something i'd definitely recommend for anyone using boldenone on a long cycle.
Anyway this time around I want to repeat the cycle but try it using high conc injectables to minimize the risk and my paranoia about injection issues. Even though I had no issues last time I was always a little paranoid that the next injection would 'be the one' to cause a problem. I haven't injected in my glutes since then, taking my TRT subq which is super easy and actually gives me slightly better blood work than intramuscular anyway.
So my plan, as of this time, is to do the whole thing as follows:
Weeks 1-16 - Mon and Thurs, intramuscular, alternating left ventro glute, right ventro glute, left dorso glute, right dorso glute etc
Boldenone 250mg (0.5ml) + Deca 100mg (0.16ml)
Weeks 1-16 - Wed and Sat, subq, alternating left and right love handle (just about enough skin there)
Test E 125mg (0.25ml)
Weeks 1-16 ED
50mg Proviron
Weeks 1-16 E3D oral
0.25mg caber
12.5mg aromasin
Weeks 1-16 - ED oral OTC stuff
500mg TUDCA (liver protection)
25mg pregnenolone (TRT add on)
Week 8 and 4 weeks post cycle - donate blood, get mid cycle blood work through direct access testing
Week 9-11 E5D subq just under navel
1250mg HCG
Other OTC supplements just Green Mussel Oil and Re-esterified fish oil for omega 3's, creatine mono, tons of whey isolate, high conc b vitamin capsule, magnesium bisglycinate, zinc picolinate, and maybe beta alanine and/or circumin if i can afford.
Diet will be moderate calorie excess (will adjust as I go), minimum 2g protein per 1kg body weight, no particular protocol as regards to carb/fat ratio, but i do minimize long chain saturated fats and replace with MUFA's from olive oil and avocado oil. Since ive done this with my dietary fats my LDL/HDL ratio has improved a lot so I think its especially important on a blast like this as just about every anabolic tends to tank HDL somewhat.
If anyone reading is interested and nerdy on details, the bold/deca combo will be injected using a 3ml syringe and a 23g 1" needle, the subq test will use a 25g 5/8" needle, and the HCG a 1ml syringe and a 28g 1/2" needle.
Okay, I think that's it. Other than posting my shoe size, dick measurement and SS number I think I'm dry on all details!
RustyhookerNot reading all that. You kniw it all....go do it. All you wanted was a cosigner
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Anon+1
I think it’s down to the carrier oil and amount of bb and what not used. I’ve pinned 600mg gear with zero pip and 400mg gear that made me limp for a week.
I know the carrier oil is important along with a few other things.
This article is decent. Quantity, quality, and virgin muscle are probably my biggest pip issues. Never used anything concentrated more than 200mg/ml, and I like to keep my pins no bigger than 2cc.
https://uglnewsletter.com/2016/01/26/what-causes-pip-post-injection-pain/
That's a good link, thank you. I'm pretty happy with my injection technique - I did a few summers working in a veterinary practice with a family member who was a vet when I was a young guy , and also worked as an EMT for a number of years, so have lots of experience practicing and giving injections. TRT for three years helps too. It's just that no matter how well your technique is nailed there's always a risk for infection each time you pierce the skin, and that's why i like to keep the total number of injections down, and am trying to find a nice balance between volume and frequency. High conc oils in theory solve the problem, hence my posting of this thread.
High concentration doesn't always mean high pip, I've run good quality gear upto 450mg per ml with little to no pip. At the other end I've run stuff 200mg per ml that has had me in bits over the next few days, it's down to to the carrier oil and how your body responds to it.
That's a good point. I think i'll check on what the carrier oils are and do some research on that.
AnonI find this to be true.
For me, up to 500mg/cc warming it up to 'almost hot' in the syringe, then letting it cool down a touch, nearly does away with PIP, entirely. There are those compounds that give a little muscle ache, later in the day sometimes. That doesn't qualify as pip for me.
I've heard of this technique but never done it. I don't usually get PIP in the sites I'm familiar with, even with high volume, but high conc gear is new territory.
How do you warm the syringe?
My experience with high concentration came with serious pip. There is no way of only just pinning glutes. U need multiple pin sites if ur planning on that frequent and volume. Even if u choose higher concentration, ur ass will need a break.. no homo
If I need to I'll pin in my delts and maybe my quads - I just like to keep the dosing schedule as simple as possible. I've already decided to keep with my TRT protocol and jab the test e subq as mentioned in a reply i just made above. That will mean less than 0.75ml in each glute once a week, and 0.25ml in each love handle once a week. I'm hoping that'll be enough.