+ 14 Fertility protocol for long term AAS users
Cause today I heard another 'client' got his wife successful pregnant and is happy as fuck I write this topic for people they are interested!
Thats no PCT and this protocol increase your fertility only as long as u run it! (Run it as long as needed, mostly it needs 2-8months)
First, this protocol is only necessary if all fertility docs prescribed u already just nonsense or tried to get u off, which makes the problem just harder!
Getting off roids is not necessary and very often even not good, following protocol increases your fertility a lot so that you can get your wife pregnant!
- 100-200mg Test Cyp / week (if you're off for sure not)
- 75 HMG EOD ( cause the short half life I'd split 37.5 a.m and p.m or u run 50 IU ED)
- 500 HCG EOD
- 50-100mg Mesterolone / ED
- 200 MCG Selenium
- 200 MG Q10
- 3G DAA
- 2G Vit C
- 600 IU Vit E
I'd not write this if I 'd know that this protocol works to 90% for ALL.
NOTE!!!!
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Use only Pharma grade products
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Keep an eye on your E2 , IF ITS TOO HIGH START WITH 0.5MG ARI /WEEK DO NOT USE ARO!
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Do bloods every 4-6 weeks
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Do a spermiogram before and 3 months (one sperm cycle) after u've started the protocol and so on...
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I know there are many different options and I also know the Bostin L. protocol (written from Mike Arnolds) but this is overstimulating pure in my opinion.
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Use no Serms, they don't support u!
Feel free to ask if you've questions!
Good luck guys , D. 
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Damn, this post is 5 years old but still solid info for anyone digging through Eroids about fertility protocols. This approach isn’t useless at all, it works, but for guys wanting more angles and updated takes, I’d recommend checking out some of Vigorous Steve’s vids. Dude breaks it down really well and you can piece together your own protocol from there.
Dropping a couple links below for anyone who wants to dive deeper.
Hope this helps some of you bros out
https://youtu.be/cYkC2gDcHIo?si=XEYCV0pD6GfWYRBR
https://www.youtube.com/live/hDBhykNgFPY?si=dhHJFd0SNPJ0zTLK
https://youtu.be/rWQa0G5Ep8c?si=KtFohen6hV6QDbME
https://youtu.be/_O-wlQAxLIY?si=Hc2Vu73rtXaWVo9R
https://youtu.be/rohGyK5mQ4U?si=2P2C931j3HxmepWE
I appreciate the links you dropped, I've been really trying to find everything I can on fertility here at eroids. I get more/better advice here than I do at the fertility dr.
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In other words, eat plenty of seed mixtures and nuts of all kinds, because these contains plenty of Selenium, Vit E, but also Zinc and healthy fats that are essential for hormonal balance. Oh man I love nuts and seeds so much :-)) I follow your protocol long-term and find it great, thank you for sharing trash.
BodybuilderZeppI know this is an old post but I recently got my wife pregnant and had my first baby this year. Thought I would share my experience. I did get my sperm levels checked prior (which didn’t look too good) but they wouldn’t prescribe me anything and told me to keep trying. I saw on youtube Dave Palumbo’s protocol and reached out to him and he told me exactly what to do.
75iu HMG EOD
2000iu HCG EOD
50mg Clomid 2x ED
No Anabolics
A high potency Multivitamin/Mineral to ensure good sperm Morphology. Of course Dave recommended his product so I took it-Species Nutrition V-Mineralyze 5 pills 2x ED
I did this protocol for 3 months and the wife was pregnant and 9 months later we had a very healthy baby that was 8 pounds. Just wanted to throw this out there.
I am not knocking the protocol posted above by Trash300. Just adding my experience and what I did. I’m sure many different protocols can work. Just like working out there is not 1 way to do everything.
If you are trying don’t give up, having a child is the best blessing in the world. Best of luck to everyone trying, and hope my experience gives you some hope.
Why not aromison
Thank you bro for this info,i do PCT and bloods show me 148ng/dl for 33 years old,and after 6 years TRT without hcg,i feel so weak, maybe start a cycle and used this protocolo on cycle and after the cycle keep it
Bigun2I’m doing all of this except the proviron and Cypionate. What does “if you’re off for sure not” mean in parenthesis beside your Test Cyp dose recommendation?
trash300If you're off (with good test levels, yours are bad brother!) its definitely not neccessary to use exo Test.
Bigun2I understand. The language barrier kills me bc I feel like you have good information and knowledge about shit I’m struggling with but fuck me if I can understand you to absorb that knowledge lol. I’ve got Cyp on the way.
trash300I'm sorry bro, east EU located, we never had english in school!
Bigun2All good, my problem not yours. Hell, you have the knowledge. If I want it I just gotta get Rosetta Stone or some shit LOL!! Thanks for all your help buddy.
You feel the benefits of Proviron out weigh the suppression it may cause?
trash300Thanks bro, yes it needed a long time till I had the knowledge I have now. Why? I was on a long time permanently on roids than a doc told me he can't help me but he thinks my HPTA is definitely "crashed". I tried all to get my wife pregnant and used many years wrong gear and abused fucking Clomid for a year with zero effect and so on...however, than I started to learn english, read a lot of articles, watched videos from Dr. J. Crisler and in 1994 I discovered HMG, and a new era of fertility recovery was born, 02/1996 after 9 months of HMG with HCG together with a pre contest run our first son was born.
"You feel the benefits of Proviron out weigh the suppression it may cause?"
Yes definitely! All till 50mg/ed is safe, even 100mg are safe and better than no Proviron!
U can find a lot protocols from people they had success even with 200mg ed cause they swore by Proviron. (But I don't recommend more than 50mg ed).
U add proviron 50mg a day,using this protocol u think not affect the total recovery?
Bigun2Thanks brother!
Rustyhooker0.5MG ARI /WEEK DO NOT USE ARO!
Wondering why? Aro wont crash e2 and it raises igf-1. Is there a negative loop on fertility there?
Edit---ari lowered e2 plus boosted testosterone level. Found on med site
trash300Yes brother, there are many studies that Aro has a very bad influence on the sperm quality and mobility, in a study from 2002 there were 164 males , full fertile, 60 got Arimidex, 60 Aromasin and 24 Placebo.
Arimidex increased(!!!) the mobility and vitality up to 20% + it increased the free test up to 8%.
Aromasin decreased the mobilty up to 15% and decreased even the free test up to 5%.
Placebo +/- 0%.
Ari in low dosages doesn't crash E2 too, if u run a fertility protocol you have to do bloods every 4-6 weeks!
Bigun2Damn that’s good info. I’m not on an ai currently but I just bought a metric fuckton of pharma Aro to use in case I had issues. Luckily I have Adex as well ( you know, being a responsible gear whore an all I like options lol) but the info you’ve posted above is a big deal for guys specifically seeking fertility vs a reboot of HPTA for regular PCT purposes.
trash300Never forget, a fertility protocol is no PCT!
You should open a fertility clinic and undercut all those that charge way too much. Nice post. I think a lot of people don't consider the potential of DAA. The last time I recovered on PCT I incorporated it with a standard Tomixfin Clomid PCT and my balls grew so fast they hurt. They ended up bigger than before my cycle.
trash300haha no I have a complete different job, but thanks for the kind input!
I believe in DAA, its an old school product, and the prolactine decreasing effect helps a lot! Lot people say its wasted money, a lot say its the best fertility supplement.
You should use just max. 3-3,5g / day, thats sufficient.
I think your balls grew cause the Clomid not cause the DAA, I guess your dosage was 100mg ed ?
I think I started 150 for the first 2 weeks and 40 for the tamoxifen. I didn’t know it affected prolactin. Maybe it would be good with 19 nors then. I just came off cycle of Deca npp and I have some in hand. One of my next two cycles will be NPP centric, I might try it with that. What are your thoughts on how long to run it? I heard it looses effectiveness after 3 weeks and you need to cycle it.
trash300In my 30s I used Deca 8 years straight and it never lost effectiveness, with NPP it's not different! For short(er) cycles I'd prefer NPP , all what goes over 20wks Deca N. If u want to run it centric I'd run 12 weeks NPP on, 12 weeks off, but dosages are very varying, there is no formula or script. I always say: As less and short as posssible but long enough that it gives u good visible results!
I should have been more specific. I meant DAA loosing effectiveness after 3 weeks
trash300Sorry my mistake! I don't think so, I had a few guys in the past they had prolactin issues, DAA kept it in range for at least 6 months, within this time all their wifes/girls were already preggy and we stopped the protocol.
Maybefor increasing testosterone levels then is what the 3 weeks is about and it remains effective at controlling prolactin.
Good protocol there, that’s definitely the shotgun approach if all else fails, but some may see good results from just 500 iu hcg per week and ubiquinol daily at 200-300 mgs. It will depend on age and how long you’ve been shutdown etc...
I recommend cycling hcg at least once, preferably twice a year if you’re planning to have kids down the line as a preventative measure against long term testicular fibrosis. It’s very cheap to do this and it can be done during your “off cycle” periods easily without worrying about the estrogenic surge messing up your cycle.
trash300Thank you brother, yes thats a very harsh protocol but the success is very very high and it has LESS sides than Serms!
500 IU / week is very low, sure u can try it but I always recommend a minimum weekly amount of 1500-2000 IUs
Q10 is in my protocol brother, Ubiquinol is just a different kind of Q10.
I am against HCG during a cycle, why? Many studies have proven that it helps the HPTA but the amount of roids u take to the same time decrease the effect of the HCG. In other words, if u try to prevent a long shut down it doesn't work.
Another important thing is , you can't shut down your HPTA permanently, the progress is always the same 2.5-3 months and the recovery process starts again. So if u stop running roids after e.g. 20 yrs, add HCG/HMG it needs 2-8 months and u have your fertility back.
The HPTA has no clockwork, what I try to say is: 12 weeks can you shut down as hard as a 10 year run! That's a fact.
You're right, HCG only during or before a PCT. HCG/HMG or rFSH only if u want kids!
HCG is cheap, HMG very expensive.
And again for all, don't use generics!
Thanks, for being g a positive influence on this forum and people's live.
trash300I try to share my knowledge with others and help where I think I can brother!
Also want to add this, make sure to have your wife's fertility checked if this doesn't work after a certain amount of time. While more rare, it is possible for anyone, male or female, to have fertility issues regardless of prior drug use. Make sure both parties get checked if it hasnt worked after a certain amount of time. just my thoughts, might be wrong, but still wouldn't hurt.
trash300Yes exactly, I forgot to mention that! Every woman should do a full check too!