+ 6 Alcohol and AAS
Ok guys, I've seen this a few times lately from the newer members to our community and thought I'd add some personal experience. There's information available with the search button, but I don't at all mind helping. Ok, a recent personal experience, I had my first EQ run, and I'm no stranger to the compounds, but I decided to step outside the box. Long story short the results took a while, but were great. Very great. The sides took even longer and even though I still felt great and gains were coming, monitoring myself I saw a remarkable rise in BP. Ok, let's fast forward. Off for a month, stats evened out. Birthday came last week, I drank for 2 days, nothing obnoxious, but some drinks two days in a row, no intoxication. Felt fine. Blood pressure spiked and took 3 days to normalize. Look guys, I am on nothing other than my prescribed TRT protocol, the monitors don't lie. If you're running compounds, don't drink. I'm not going to post my numbers unless under demand because there's a risk of someone saying "you weren't that bad." Just don't, and best wishes. PM for details if you'd like.
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Fuck drinking it ruined my health so I wouldn't advise even in small to moderate amounts ...I don't care what they say about 1 drink a day is healthy its literally poison and new studies I have read show this... edit ( it permanently raised my bp and resting hr I drank heavily when I got burned out quit lifting using aas quit everything ...just drank now I'm sorting the mess out)...
“Tipp it on back!” (Singing country)
I was a drinker before AAS usage ..... I stopped the first few years in n now i just have a glass of wine once every 14 days .... Nothing harsh ... I feel if im to drink im going to shrink lol i respect the gains more lol
Been atleast 8 years for me since a drink. I find its used for people as an escape or a cover, Nothing good comes from it what so ever. Day by day I say no drastic changes, just take each day as it comes to not follow a path but lead the way forward.
I just stay clear of the stuff, a strong mental state you can accomplish so much greatness.
No matter if this thread was written a few weeks ago, I appreciate your gesture to help those in need. +1 friend.
I am speculating here so take this with a huge grain of salt but EQ as we know last like 28 days in the body overall (undecylenate has a 14 day biological half life) and so I wonder if your RBC, hemoglobin, and hematocrit are still elevated, even though your blood pressure has normalized. Maybe the alcohol caused an increase in water due to the water retention from the carbs from the drinks. That combined with the higher RBC, hemoglobin, Hematocrit might have caused it. Maybe you need to donate blood
Molinin302I have to give you a plus bro, legit question. I monitor daily. All was good. Donated blood, and the sides kicked in after. Donation was Oct 15th. High BP started 3 days after. Im not a Dr, just sharing this. Theres been an acid reflux issue, but can't associate that. But the BP, yes.
Good thread as always, drinking is hard hard hard. I truly think more than half of all Americans suffer from some kind of mental depression and booze is just another outlet for pain and suffering. I don't have an answer for anybody that drinks. I know that nothing positive comes from it whatsoever. Find the strength folks to follow a positive path both physically and mentally.
The Pickle speaks the Truth!!
Molinin302He absolutely does, but damn i hope at least one mate buys a monitor!? It's very important. 25 quid for a peace of life. Quid is cool Brit talk right? Lol. Love ya Press, tell these guys how important the BP is, its proper...
We bought new "nurse on a sticks" for the nursing units so i keep one of the old ones in my office. I check my BP, o2 and pulse everyday because i got OCD lol. Best thing to have handy and one that is calibrated and exact is even better. Its a $4000 device at my disposal.
Molinin302Lol, now thats awesome! Peep around and see what else you can use lmao
Vacuum Cleaner?
Oh since its my work shop i can bring home anything to "borrow" and bring back. Ive used ladders, chain saw, skill saw and just bring back. Im the Facility Director so its basically my tools.
Yea I quit over 20 years ago.
Used to actually drink beer during workouts so I don’t judge...
Hangovers got so bad in my thirty’s I just quit.
Used to hit every Hooters in Jax Fl during vacations. Lol we’d literally go to all four , wake up hit a gym and do it again lol.
I remember one girl saying shouldn’t you guys be vacationing in Myrtle Beach.
I was the only dude in the joint wearing socks with my sandals..
Brother how did it feel to drink beer during training? :-)
Fine from what I can remember...
Probably kill me now.
You've just brought back memories of my sheer and utter madness when I use to be an alchy and I use to drink Vodka & Orange through my so called 'Training sessions' LMAO I'd use it as a form of hydration nearly gipping on the harshness of the biting vodka. I put the fact I was so weak and skinny down to getting older and my test levels weren't what they use to be. Nothing at all to do with the fact I never ever ate, drink from 7am till midnight, had no vitamin or test levels to speak of Lol Dark F'kin times ....
Just reminded me of my dumbass self back in the day going to the gym on coke,ketamine, and/or dxm and a stomach full of preworkout while hungover. It’s just insane looking back on it and it’s a wonder we didn’t die or at least get seriously injured.
Molinin302Ugh, bro... I'm right outside the city. I take the bus. I'm sure you Brits have a cool word for the bus lol. But man, I've been at the bus stop, calming my nerves with a nip of booze to step foot on that bus. Sucks man, it wasn't great. We've been where we've been, but if we can keep a few of the new guys off the orals (let's be honest, dianabol works) whilst they're chasing smelts at the pub, if I've reached one pratt, I'm happy.
Dbol does work even at only 20 mgs.
Molinin302Man, I rarely touch it. It sounds stupid and immature, but the entire family on my wife's side drinks. Those who don't smoke marijuana. Funny thing though, I'm pretty open, and they don't give me guff about using steroids. I'm responsible about physicals, labs, and I'm a blood donor. My boss is a donor recipient and doesn't hit my vacation days when I donate. Its all about health. We need to educate these guys that although they're looking good in the mirror, even a couple nights out. And what they may think is mild may be wreaking havoc. We have a responsibility. Congrats on the 20 Sam. That's strength. True strength.
Yea it’s definitely good to educate guys.
The thing with bodybuilding is attracts ocd type guys, and we’re all prone to addiction behaviors.
I mean honestly a stable person is just no going to train on Christmas and carry food around everywhere they go.
Very few guys on here are what I’d call stable.
At my age I should be well past using steroids and arguing with “Rusty” over which one of us is fatter... : )
It’s a tough spot. I want to steer guys in the right direction but not be hypocritical.
I think the correct order in life is
1. Work
2. Family
3. Gym
That’s been my experience. 2 and 3 don’t exist without work, so it’s my main priority..
I definitely have an addictive personality, but I'm blessed to have not picked up a drink or done a drug in 4 1/2 years. Both you guys hit the nail on the head. We have to have our priorities straight in life, or what's the point. I am that guy hitting legs on Christmas and meal prepping broccoli, chicken, sweet potato and rice every week. But I always make sure my training is never a hinderance to my family or my career.
Straight priorities +2
Molinin302Good for you , and Sam, and yeah Me! Lol. Hey, if I don't put myself first, 100%, I can't be 100% for anyone else in my life. I'm responsible for a little over 100 elderly people, and lately they're dropping. It sucks. Some were my friends, some were probably assholes all their lives. Either way I put on a smiling face and do my job. Family bro, even if its shitty family is good. Trust me on this. Family.
*and liver health lol, stay away from OTC guys. Tylenol is more liver toxic than dianabol.
Naproxen can be hell on the liver too, sometimes even when you follow the dosage on the bottle. I had a friend od on it a few years back.
One thing Molin, family is not always good brother, I wish this was true but sadly blood doesnt mean shit in my experience.(I'm not talking about my kids).
Ain't that the fu**in truth mate - I learnt my alcoholism from my evil rotten mother. Abandoned me at 8 years old, reappeared at 16 a full blown pisshead. Then I got all the lovely abusive midnight phone calls, knocks on doors, ringing my work screaming at my work colleagues in the day, calling my girlfriends mothers at their work the list goes on and on.
My father was drafted into the Vietnam War at 21 years old. He ended up getting shot twice and lost his shoulder. He never found peace with it and it consumed him with resentment, hate and alcholism. Guess who got to see all that growing up.
the list goes on and on for sure
Molinin302Bro, I'm sorry for that. I cant defend his behavior, but picture yourself at 21. Now picture yourself at 21 and without having a choice you were given a rifle and flown to a foreign country to kill people and get shot at. No video game stuff, hot lead coming at you very fast. Again, cant defend his behavior, but war can and will mess most people up. I'm not a conscience objector, I believe there's a time and place for it. But I also believe violence is too prevalent these days.
I understand that he didnt have a choice whatsoever, but he never could let it go. Like I've said in other posts the mind can really get fucked up and twisted. It a shame but there is no fixing his. I refused to expose my children to his nastiness when they were growing up. I dont regret it at all. Good conversation as always.
Thanks
Molinin302Family
Work
Gym
I've had issues, work is not the reason I'm alive today. No need for details, and paying bills is certainly debatable, but I have to put family first. Life is too valuable.
*pay attention to what Sam's saying guys, this is gold.