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So my question is how much test is too much test in your guys opinion. I understand that this is going to be mainly determined by the goal of a cycle but I mean it in a sense of a cycle where test is important, like on a heavy bulk. The reason I have asked this is because Dave Palumbo, Seth Feroce, and Nick Trigili all have stated in different videos that the highest any of them would do is 1,000mg of test a week, with Nick being the only to say higher at 1,200mg. They all stated that anything beyond that was just causing sides to go higher. Personally I view these as overkill unless you're absolutely massive, like someone who is 260+lbs in the off-season. Would love to hear your guys take on this.
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I always felt sweet spot was 750mg, over that and the sides out weighed the gains for me. That’s really the highest I’ll go nowadays and just add deca, npp and/or dbol. Highest I’ve done is 1500mg and I got pretty bad gyno
1500 is way too much considering the aormatization and other side effects. i think 500 to 750 is perfect for most. For me 750 works great.
Alphamale500The gyno you developed was likely because you didn't know how to control your e2 levels.
Lol!
josipgatesi depends on size,experience and also your goals...i have tried anywhere from 300 to 1200mg test..for me right now sweet spot is 750mg,i feel great,strong,full round muscle and all i need to control estrogen is 0.5mg arimidex eod
I can’t and won’t speak for all but personally 500/600mg per week should be the max. Add other compounds if you want bigger gains. 200-300 mg per week is plenty if you’re on other stuff. Test on it’s own shouldn’t be run very high or when stacked with the likes of tren and other anabolics. Use test as the base then add in other compounds.
Pros/ifbb etc is another league and do not fit into the equation.
I am not an expert but have read extensively. currently on my first test e 500mg cycle.
it all depends on your body i guess, stick with 200 mg
Alphamale500Nobody ever gave you any credit for writing an interesting post.
+1
Lol thank you alpha, tbh ever since I got over 50 it has been secondary, now I just look to help the community. Regardless, thank you again!
I'm currently only doing a measly 200mg a week of pharma grade Test w/ an oral. I'm 225 pounds; no sides & feeling good. I'm trying to do the least mg w/ most effect &train twice as hard as I get into late 40's. Trial & error
I bet its great training with pretty much normal blood pressure on low dose gear
Alphamale500I remember reading an issue of Muscular Development (MD) when I was in jail in 2011 and 2012. And I specifically remember because I'd have my girlfriend send me a bunch of magazines like Flex, MD(my favorite) etc, and some other educational stuff like High Times, pussy mags and such.
Anyway, they were claiming that their anonymous sources found out that famous BB's were using test doses in the 5-6 gram/wk range, and ridiculous amounts of a lot of other compounds including HGH! And surprisingly, along with very small doses of oxandrolone. I believe this was right before a Mr. Olympia, which made it so relevant. And some of this was written on the cover, including the low dose of oxandrolone which I believe said 2 or 20mg! Not 100% sure!
Now I'm not saying these dosing protocols are true, but does anyone who reads MD religiously, remember this issue? Like I said, this issue was from around 2011,12. I figured if anyone would know it'll be someone on eroids! On everything sacred, this was in a MD issue! Someone has to know what I'm talking about.
Bud I completely believe it, I've spoken to a few people who aren't even Pro's who have run more Test than this a few times. Look at all these guy's who run 20iu's plus a day of HGH. I believe part of why Pro's are pro's is their ability to tolerate massive amounts of gear and still be able to train through it, where as the rest of us would feel like dying.
Alphamale500And I think you can totally tell the guys who run very high amounts of HGH. You see their jaw bone begin to really stand out and it gets that gorilla type look to it. Of course the GH gut, but I think more so in their face and bone structure you can see they start to develop the look of a fuckn ape or gorilla. Maybe it's just me, which I doubt, but I can see it!
Btw, how can I find this issue of Muscular Development???
Alphamale500My bad, I couldn't find this post for shit. Anyway, I believe it 100% also. I don't think that the insanely huge size of some pros can even be maintained with just the types of doses that we use. And this was in MD, not some bullshit magazine. 5,000 to 6,000 mg doses of test per week bro! Plus all the HGH, orals and whatever else. It still takes dedication and hard work, but no wonder they're that fuckn insanely huge bro.
The highest amount of test that I've ever ran per week was 1500mg. And foolishly, that was when I was very new to running gear. Probably a contributing factor as to why I have hypogonadism now and have to be on trt for the rest of my life.
There's no Muscular Development magazine readers out there who remember reading about this in an issue?? There's gotta be some religious readers of the magazine! Well, on my mother and everything I hold sacred, I read this in MD. And I fully believe it.
Not trying to be an asshole but the guys that say 200mg and 150mg etc... Their body shows for it. It won’t do much of shit.
Right. That's just silly.
Test is the holy grail of this business... But more is not always better. But from the self experience and friends who run it for 25 years (bunch of them are IFBB Pro also). I can say that until 2.5g / week could be OK if you run it correctly. But if you are not a competitor, or not on very professional cycle with a loth of high dose GH shots and aromatise inhibitors designed correctly. The sweet point is between 500 - 750mg/week until ~100KG (~220LBS)
So if you ask me, anything more than a gram per week is too much for the one who is not an international level competitor...
I love 250mgs ( 1ml) monday/ wednesday/ friday.
( enanthate).
eddoAll the ex pros lie about dosing so take anything they say with a pinch of salt lol.
I don’t believe there is a universal maximum for test. It depends on experience, body development, genetic response to hormones, gym rat or competing, amateur or pro.
Too many variations, but I agree with most of the thread for the average gym rat with a few cycles under their belt who knows how to diet to gain and loose weight etc.
I believe 750mg is ample. More beneficial to add other compounds at this point.
Just my opinion that’s all.
I agree about the lying.
I really like palumbo but his doses were around the 4.5 gram mark per week of oils.
Thats not including oral, stims, taboos etc.
That comes from someone whos a world famous ex pro bb that everyone knows and still posts on youtube and comes from my side of the world.
eddoYeah true, I believe you with those ridiculously high doses. You got to think these guys were pros trying to do anything and everything to get an edge on the competition.
I also like Palumbo and watch his vids on YouTube, but I don’t agree with some of his advise and I don’t think his advise is suitable for the new guys. Deffo for the more experience hormone users.
I like the Palumbo videos too - Gives it straight with no BS.
Didn’t notice too much of a difference from 1000 compared to 750 a week. Would rather just add other compounds as opposed to increasing test dose
Alphamale500Agreed!
I've heard many pro's in the 90's say 750-1000mg of Pharma grade was good. That's a pro! An experianced gym rat should take less in my opinion! 500mg to 750mg max is my old sweet spot. Plus.. You also have to factor in how you take it! If you take 3 amps of Sustanon 250 on separate days of the week may be better for some than blasting all 3 amps in one shot! Just saying!!!Nowadays I take less & train harder.
Seems to me much over 500-600 is the cap. More than that the sides start to show up quickly!
RustyhookerIf you take 3 amps of Sustanon 250 on separate days of the week may be better for some than blasting all 3 amps in one shot
Op might need a lot more research before using sust in this or any fashion.
You mean just diet right too...
Obviously individual but for me I have experimented with up to 2 grams/week in my youth for SHIC’s (I’m not proud of it and wouldn’t recommend now with the benefit of hindsight but I was following a couple of guru’s pushing SHIC’s at the time and thought they were going to be my magic bullet!) and I felt awesome and gained very quickly but a lot was water/glycogen and fat as I was eating big to try and maximise the SHIC. In reality when it all came out in the wash I would probably have gained just as much actual pure muscle on 750mg and lower kcal amount.
I've ran 1gram numerous times but have found 500-750mg per week to be plenty.
I can run 1gram+ of test enathate a week. However I can maybe run a max of 700mg of test prop a week. I don’t even like to run that much of prop, honestly.
Too much test is the dose at wich you need AIs and other drugs to counter your test dosage sides
Respect
Dope
Alphamale500For me personally, I'd prefer to stick with 500mg/wk. But the most test I would use in one week is 750mg tops. I've used double that amount in the past, but now I realize that high amounts of test produce just too many sides to deal with. Plus, for the type of physique I like to maintain now, there's no need for anything over 500mg/wk.
Yeah, I week occasionally push up to 750 mg of E, but I personally start seeing diminishing returns above 500 mg. Bloat, puffy nips, high BP...just not worth it
500-600mgs max when running test alone.....
200-300mgs when combined with another compound
400mg on a bulk and 200mg on a cut. There are way better drugs then test to pack on muscle without having to deal with estrogen issues.
Alphamale500Yeah, those are very good doses for those purposes. High test is where all the nasty sides come in and for me, it's just not worth it.
I try different dosages from 500mg till 1500mg and if be honestly all what are more than 750mg I have more side effects and do not have more profit..
So for me 750mg and 1500mg gives same effect but on 1500mg i have much more side effects.
Last few years I do not use more than 500mg/week.
This is more complicated than a simple mg amount. Personally I look at this and have four variables to take into consideration.
Number 4 is complicated. If testosterone was the only compound I was able to get..... I would probably run it higher to bulk. However there are so many other compounds that are more efficient in building muscle or cutting it doesn’t make sense to only use one. This is why of course we obviously stack different compounds in a cycle.
That being said I don’t personally see the need for anything over 150-400mg.
Dave Palumbo stating he's never run more than 1 gram a week?! That's a classic... It all depends on what level you want to get to in terms of doses as you'll always reach a point where you plateau, to either gain more strength or mass. One things for sure though you get much better results running lower test and stacking with another compound such as Deca rather than just running one big load of test by itself. I've tried it and wasn't that impressed at all.
Dobermann1000mg a week is more than enough.
every amount which is more than necessary...
I wouldn't go over 600mg/wk unless you're a competitive bodybuilder. The excess amount will only cause more bloat, and sides wit little benefits.
TronFor me 5-600mg a week.. that's even not adding any other compounds now, I'm not a competitive bodybuilder..so when I run a cycle I won't do more than two compounds at a time..it's EQUALLY important to me to feel great on a. Cycle.. physically as well as pyschologically... I also won't run. Compounds that make me feel shitty.. with hard training and a dialed in diet I get great results Everytime.
RustyhookerOn someone running a few test only cycles with success....a small stack is preferred. Why look for sides when simple is easy. Even small test and 1 oral is a great simple gainer
Test dosage or any other compound's dose for that matter is not one size fits all. Too many variables involved, genetics, diet, training, what other compounds are being ran with it, estrogen sensitivity etc...I can run up to 600 test with minimal ai where as another guy might have a terrible time controlling estrogen at the same dose. I have gone up to 1gram a week but haven't gone over that simply bc there is a point of diminishing returns where the sides begin to outweigh the benefits. But short answer to your question I generally stick with around 750 for my max test dosage.
Alphamale500Good comment. Very good points!+1
I always take whatever Dave Palumbo says with a big grain of salt. When i started researching roids i stumbled upon an interview in which he said you might as well just use winstrol and anavar for a 1st cycle and you wouldn't supress natural production.
Mastinos55do you jump from a bridge also if dave says it lol
winny and anavar will supress natural production like every other steroid my friend