Extend PCT?
Hi guys, i'm in the last days of PCT, standard Clomid 100/100/50/50 and Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 with aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25 , in the middle of the PCT i noticed low libido and can't get a hard on, this till some days ago, now it looks like i'm back to normal, at least my average, since i've felt something going on in my balls (which aren't full size yet) just 4-5 days ago i was thinking to extend the PCT for another 1-2 weeks with Clomid @25 and Nolvadex @10, but before doing it i want to know your opinion about it. I know rest is the best option to recover, and more meds doesn't mean more results, i'm just concerned about the best route. My cycle was Test E @500mg/week + Test P kickstart/bridge with Tbol @50/day for the first 6 weeks, i've also used HCG @ 500 IU 2xweek the last 3 weeks of the cycle. (I know my PCT is G2G because it's pharma grade)
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Manateeswimmer5678That might also be why you couldn't get hard during the middle of your PCT, hence the 2-3 weeks for clearance
Manateeswimmer5678Hey, when did you start PCT? I ask because enanthate esters take 2-3 weeks to clear due to their half life. I like to utilize short esters for that time and then start PCT right away. That may be reason why your PCT doesn't seem long enough
Alphamale500Imo, something that could've been a big help to your PCT and restoring your endogenous testosterone production, is HCG. But not the way that you used it (during your cycle). Instead, using it for the period in between the end of your cycle and the start of your PCT for 10-14 days, or for the first two weeks of PCT.
You can do everything else the same way you did for PCT, but in addition, use 500-1000iu sub-q injections of HCG per day for those 10-14 days. Like I said you can use this HCG this way for the period in between the end of your cycle and the start of PCT, or for the first 10-14 days of PCT. It can really make a big difference bro. Stay safe bro.
PcushionIf someone is running long cycles as I do it can be very beneficial at preventing the death of leydig cells and preventing testicular atrophy. In my PEROSNAL OPINION I don’t see a reason to run it during a standard 12 week cycle. For me though I will run low dose compounds for 20 weeks minimal. In that circumstance it can be a necessity for preserving endogenous testosterone production as well as fertility.
Alphamale500I really consider HCG as a Godsend for us guys who run long or frequent cycles, or even just for average gear users in general. I was suggesting that method of using HCG right before, or during the beginning of PCT, for the OP's particular circumstances.
Personally, I prefer to use HCG @350iu M-W-F, while I'm running a cycle and while on TRT, year-round. Especially since I'm surely not done having kids, so I want to keep my testicles functioning as much as possible and keep up sperm production. And when I'm at the point of actually trying to conceive a child, I'll stop using any AAS altogether, and incorporate the correct protocol of HCG, HMG, and/or Clomid with the instructions of my endocrinologist.
Clomid can also be an amazing tool for increasing fertility and testosterone production in general. I remember when my endo had me taking just Clomid, while trying to "kick start" my axis before starting TRT. And believe it or not, Clomid alone @100mg/day I believe, actually raised my total testosterone levels off the charts, which only went to 1500ng/dl at that particular lab. But when I stopped, my levels slowly feel back down to about where they were to begin with.
When did you start your pct, compared to last pin?
Aro didnt cause the ED, low test did.
Pct drugs, particularly clomid can absolutely be extended, and the half dose is where you should start as it shouldnt drive estro too high. Duration is up to you but a nice stint, like an extra month would be a start. However, you need to optimise natural test production also.
Hcg shpuld be used very differently to how you used it, to be optimal, so if your testes do not come back fully online, it is likely they atrophied a little too much, but after your clomid run (after the body settles, after the pct meds drain), you have a further option of a strong hcg approach to the testes.
Tongkat ali can help up your free test (check my natural test forum post for other tips)
I started the PCT 26 days after last Test E shot, and 4/5 days after last Test P shot. About the HCG, i made a mistake, i did 1000IU 2xWeek (for the same amount of time). I'll look for your post, thank you.
PcushionGolden advice as always!
PcushionAlmost everyone has some down time during pct. Research suggest the hypothalamus given the proper conditions is back up and running in 2-3 weeks given there is no damage. The testicles once dormant and atrophied can be unresponsive to the brains signals for 10 weeks or more. This is why HCG is so important. You can extend it. I always run at least a 6 week pct. More times than not it’s an 8 week pct. Me personally I would drop the Nolva at this point. Nolva has quite the ability to raise SHBG.
Alphamale500Nice+
RustyhookerI bet the aro got ya too low. Extend 2 weeks and horney goat weed is one i like. The one with maca and not yohimbine.
I'm sure you can extend it a week or two...then get bloods. 500IU of HCG was way to low!
Blood work...
I'm far from an expert for sure. I'd like to hear comments on the aro for the whole duration. Seems that would crash my estro causing those results.
Again blood work will be the way to tell
I used aro for my previous (and first) cycle, with Test E @ 250mg 2xweek and Proviron @50mg ED, but just 6,25mg ED since day 10, i don't remember if i've discontinued aro between last shot and PCT, but i didn't used it in the PCT for sure. With the previous cycle i had better sex (during and in PCT), with no libido issue in PCT.
Personally, I would extend by 1 more week each compound clomid/nolva 50/20. Even after PCT, your body still needs more time to recover. I am a big supporter of 5 week PCTs anyways.
Also, if you have any previous bloodwork, you could get bloods done and make comparisons to see if you are en route to recovery. With that being said, I would still give your body a lot of time post-pct to continue recovering.
I'll extend the pct at least for another week, i've bloodwork pre cycle, and i'll get it done again once the PCT meds are cleared from my body, so i'll know for reale if my body is back to normal.
Sounds like a plan!
Let us know how it goes