Starting first cycle, already on TRT. How to start blast and cruise
Hello Eroids family,
been reading about steroids for a long period of time and always wanted to maximise my natural potential first. Last year I then went on doctor prescribed TRT+HCG which alllwed me to build a good amount of tissue on top of my natural foundation. Have been training for 6 years when I went on TRT so now I’ve been in the game for 7 years. Everything is optimised on training and recovery since I love this sport.
Now I want to take it to the next level and start a first blast. I say blast not cycle because I‘ll be on TRT for lifetime anyway so blast and cruise will be the way to go for me. Currently I‘m taking 20mg of Test E EOD and 150iu HCG ED. This puts my test levels top end of normal range, E2 at 110pmol/l. All other health markers are perfect.
I would start with 250mg of Test E, split into either 2 injections of 125mg or split it up to lower dosages EOD. I‘m just not sure whether to keep the HCG in since it will increase aromatisation even more, and the increased Test will do by itself already.
stats:
height: 181cm
weight: 93kg
body fat: roughly 10-12%
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This sounds mess-up. Don't know why you're on Test and HCG together? Sounds like you need a new Doc and some rethinking here.
A lot of docs do that. Especially if ur young and still want kids. Just shows his doc is staying up to date (assuming there is a doc). It’s a common practice. Even said to keep adrenal functions working well, which improves the sense of well being, energy, libido, etc. anecdotally, this could be the reason TRT patients say things like “it’s better than I was feeling, but nothing beats the real thing that your body makes”, because without a working axis and all of the pieces communicating with each other, the adrenal function drops.
The weird thing is 20mg eod. But maybe it’s subQ and he’s a super responder? Or maybe the HCG incorporation means he needs less exogenous test. SubQ is catching on with docs and it’s better to do frequent small injections with that. I dunno but I’d love to see bloods and know if he’s actually dr prescribed.
That is great if you have a chance...here in my country in the EU for hypogonadism the only treatment (TRT) is or transdermal gel Androtop or NEBIDO (testosterone undecanoate). quite sad if you ask me. but you can always get a script to buy another form in the EU area if you are lucky that your endocrinologist approves it.
Living4ThePumpExactly. It’s doctor prescribed und supervised. Yes I‘m a great responder. I startet with 100mg a week and my test levels were almost double of normal range at 49 nmol/l.
HCG is there to keep the LH signalling on fire and keep the testicles full as well as sperm count.
Yea from the sounds of it your doc is actually making sure he stays up on all the new research and adjusts his practice accordingly. That’s refreshing. So many old school docs stuck in their ways.
As far as the cycle goes I’d never tell someone not to be conservative, so if I wanna start at 250 go for it, but I’d probably start closer to 350-400 if u wanted to stay on the lower end and get good effects. Either way no trouble in starting low you can always bump it up. Just make sure to watch e2 and keep an AI on hand. Especially with HCG in the mix (and yea I’d keep that especially if u want kids)
You have any recent bloodwork you could throw up?
RustyhookerAge: 27
Height: 180cm
Weight: 90
BF:
20mg of Test E EOD and 150iu HCG ED. This puts my test levels top end of normal range, E2 at 110pmol
Sounds self prescribed. Your older posts suggest that you attempted a dr help but self prescribed. Eod test e....thats a funky way. Gonna get a ton of scar tissue.
Living4ThePumpIt’s doctor supervised and small insulin needles, foam rolling to prevent scar tissue
RustyhookerRolling causes scar tisdue. So does massaging.
I’ve read both. Some say causes and some say it breaks it up. I wanna look into the theragun tho. $450 but that thing is awesome. We have one at my work cuz we did some work with them. It rules. It’s like hiring a robot to rapidly punch you in your sore spots. But I’ve been wondering if it would break up scar tissue. I don’t have much, but there’s one spot in my quad that I might have some in that I’d like to get rid of (if it’s even possible)
RustyhookerIm old fart school of thinking. Increased bloodflow and increased absorption. At least with oils...lol. aqueous leaves behind the particles which cause inflammation but i still go for bloodflow. In my mind its like irritating a scab....it gets bigger when you mess with it.
Must scar tissue is there for life unfortunately, but you can soften it up and make it less noticeable, which is what massaging and rolling accomplishes.
I’m assuming with that dosing schedule he’s subQ (that’s if this is real... the 70mg a week thing is suspect but possible. Especially with the HCG in the mix)
RustyhookerIm on 75mg and hit 850 so maybe. Just sounds like scar tissue bonus and slave to the pin. I like my 1 bump a week. Lol
Yea I don’t blame you. I do two a week with a slin pin, and I have Butt Ton of spots like you, but I wonder if it wouldn’t be as bad if it was subQ. At that point it’s just like a morning growth pin. 30-60 second job, you know? I haven’t tried subQ oil yet tho. Although it’s catching on.
AnonI've done subq as an experiment, there is a well known trt doc in my general area who prescribes it that way. Cyp and Enanthate leave nice knot..prop is absolutely a bad idea. And don't even think about anything with acetate at the end lol...
The doc is pretty lean and in his videos he seems to not have the same problem, you could actually see the lumps where I did it. There's all sorts of new studies about how fkin great subq is..blah blah blah women think you've got fkin problems if you're walking around looking like a lumpy tumory old dog..
So yeah, it's definitely worth a shot, I didn't react well, but others do.
RustyhookerI havent tried it as a standard trt method. I did try low dose subq with ugl and it was not fun. Pip, irritation, redness. Pharma though might be alternative for many. Youre not dealing with mis measurements of ba bb etc in pharma
Yea agreed. I don’t think I’ll ever try it with UGL. It’s definitely interesting to me but I dunno that I’ll be trying it anytime soon.
250mg isn’t even a cycle. My doc puts me on 280 a month and I’m around 1250 with my test levels. Go back do more research.
Living4ThePumpdosage is completely individual ? 100mg a week put me at 1250 lol
I said a month I meant 280mg a week.
Your doc is cool with your e2 being at 110? Do you know what that translates to in pg? (EDIT: just did the conversion and it’s 30pg/ml)
I’m assuming ur European from your stats, prescribed Test E and pmol e2 reading.
20mg EOD is a new one to me. Is that subQ as well? Curious as to how you landed on that schedule.
If you respond that well to 70mg/week, then I think 250 a week would be a good starting point. Just make sure you have an AI on hand. If you normally take HCG by prescription I’d think you should stay on it. Usually TRT guys cycle on top of their normal regimine. How much HCG do you use a week? I’d definitely stay on top of ur e2 either way and make sure it doesn’t get out of range. That seems to be the only worry if all other health markers are in check.
Living4ThePumpDon you find 110 too high ? You need some E2 for libido and stuff. I adjusted my protocol according to blood levels and landed on 20mg. HCG is at 150iu per day.
Kind regards
No no. 110 is great. I did the math, and that’s 30 over here. That’s where I like to be. I was thinking it was like the American scale (pg/ml, not pmol/l)
110 on ur scale (30 on ours) is where I like mine too