+ 1 Increasing Free Testosterone
We know that Testosterone is king when it comes to anabolic and steroids but I had been reading that when SHBG binds to testosterone in the bloodstream it is worthless. Free testosterone is the number that counts. How do we get more ‘Free’ T?
A theory has arisen recently amongst the TRT community that a super low dose of Oxandrolone, as a DHT derivative, will bind to SHBG and thus free up more Testosterone. Low meaning 3-5mg/ED dose.
I’m in the process of gathering data to check this theory as I dont know how this anavar low dose can be compared to the effects of proviron's ability to free up testosterone.
Any suggestions from experienced member will be more than welcome as I may consider adding var or proviron to my next Testosterone cycle: https://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/mi-first-cycle-in-10-years
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During a cycle I would choose PROVIRON over anything else to free up bound testosterone.
PcushionI personally can’t see anavar being used like Proviron. There is a difference in lowering SHBG and binding it. Proviron has an extremely high affinity for SHBG while anavar does not so binding is out the equation. The only way it could be seen as a provi alternative is if it could lower SHBG production drastically enough. All steroids lower SHBG to some degree, but I just don’t believe anavar is capable of lowering SHBG enough at any dose to be seen as a way to increase free test the way provi can.
Masteron at a low dose might be one to look into for your cycle.
It lowers SHBG production and also has a pretty good affinity for SHBG itself. So you are tackling it both ways.
Is this why you train with your girlfriend?
Actually I can´t train with her. But God knows how to tell her that.
BigbeefcastleThis is what proviron does:
Proviron has low anabolic potential and weak androgenic response. As an AAS compound, proviron is a low gains compound. So the question IS, Why is it so widely used? Proviron suppresses the aromitization of every family of testosterone. What is this? Aromitization is the conversion of test hydrocarbons to other variations of hormones such as estradiol, oestrogen, dihydrotestosterone (DHT). This suppression forces the body to leverage more of the injectable oils you're taking rather than converting and wasting. Takes cypionate from 73% usage to 90%+ for example Because more of the hydrocarbon is being used by the body, you increase the effectiveness of the compounds you're running Proviron binds rapidly to the sexual and mood receptors in your body. Ihis causes a more stable libido and mood while on cycle, but it also increases the bioavailability of the compounds you're on. .
Summary; Proviron increases bioavailability and effectiveness of the compounds you're on. Because it suppresses aromitization you also do not need to take as many blockers. (Which is far healthier for liver function)
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However there is more:
Proviron has little to no hepatotoxicity which means it can be run for extended periods of time without damage to liver function It also can be run with a PCT because it does not impede natural FHS production. Thus it keeps you up while your natural levels recover. It can be taken with Clomid or hcg, however it is more necessary to run with Clomid than hcg. Proviron is a DHT and over use can lead to hair loss, and androgenic alopecia. Therefore, running 2000mcg of cinnamon a day is necessary while running Proviron.
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PcushionThe aromatase enzyme does not convert test to DHT. 5a- Reductase does that... Copy and paste will get you every time...
Proviron doesn’t bind to sexual or mood receptors. The term is plasma protein binding and the plasma protein in this case is SHBG!!! Your fucking wrong again... Proviron is suppressive so no it can’t be taken with pct, and what hell is FHS???? You mean FSH.... Hey doc what about LH?
I am going to stop there but I f you make another Frankenstein write up full crap that isn’t true I am gong to rip it apart. There is enough bad information already out that will not got away. I am sick of seeing bro lore crap and post like this. You have no idea what your talking about.
Alphamale500There you go! Tell him how it is bro!! And you're absolutely correct to do so. Shit, I give you a bump for even bothering to read through his copy and pasted, half plagiarized total bullshit comment!! Now after reading through it, it's full of false bullshit!! Smh bro!! Nicely done P! +1
PcushionCan you believe this guy. You are right we have all made mistakes on Eroids but making post that are full of inaccurate information and trying to defend yourself by saying your a doctor is unacceptable. People come here to discuss and learn real information not bullshit from someone who wanted to sound smart. Times are changing we know more than we used to about compounds, hormone interactions, pct etc. Eroids is the only site where you can come and get real information about gear. There is no other site like it (I know bc I am on quite a few). For this guy dress that bs up with a pretty little bow for some new guy to come across and learn lies is just a dick move.
Alphamale500I agree 100% bro. A sports doctor, Lol!! Some of these new kids probably think they can get away with shit like that because they probably have on other bullshit sites! But absolutely, there shouldn't be any fake statements and false information like that made on here without being challenged.
Jeez bro how long did it take to copy that?
BigbeefcastleNot copy and pasting Sam. I’m a sports doctor down here in California. One of my patients told me about this site and I came here to gain and share knowledge just like you.
RustyhookerBullshit
PcushionOne word followed by mic drop
Alphamale500I'm calling bullshit on that right now!! Bro, don't make the hole any deeper. Mostly all of us have made some mistakes at some point while on Eroids. But believe me bro, nobody even remotely thinks there's a chance that you're a sports doctor! Lol! Your comment is full of false statements and bullshit which has clearly been copied and pasted from various places. If you came here to gain knowledge like you said, then that's fine. But don't go any further with this "doctor" bullshit! Believe me, you'll be negged out of existence on here by everyone.
Suck it up like a man and just move forward. But dead that doctor bullshit right now! C'mon, do you think there's anyone who buys that you're a doctor, especially with the content of the comment you wrote above? Most of us may not be doctors, but we're smart enough to know that you aren't! Sports Doctor, SMFH!! Lol!! Yeah, and I've got a 12 inch cock!
PcushionIf your a doctor then I am Mickey Mouse. You should give your patients there money back. You don’t even know the difference between aromatization, protein binding, and The 5 alpha enzyme. That bs your writing won’t fly here at Eroids. You will get exposed around here.
Var will do it! Something like 10mg/day will get the job done.
Anavar and Proviron will accomplish this by freeing up more Test!
Alphamale500I like incorporating Turinabol(Tbol) into my cycles. Now I know there are some that say it's not worth using, or there are better aas to use, but I've noticed nothing but good results from using this compound. Tbol is not only useful to help build lean muscle tissue and for strength increases, but one of it's great effects is lowering SHBG and freeing up more testosterone. Can't go wrong imo! Anavar, Winstrol and other DHT derivatives will lower SHBG as well.
So I'm assuming that using a very low dose of anavar daily will lower some SHBG and free up some more testosterone, but how much idk. But I would certainly think that a regular dose of daily proviron would lower more SHBG and free up more test than just a very small dose of anavar imo. If you're deciding on which one to add to your next cycle, personally I'd add the regular dosed proviron.
I fully agree with that, tbol is a great oral.
Good results and zero sides !
Regarding the Var I'd say 10mg daily.
I’ve made good gains in Tbol but tbh
it makes me crabby af.
Alphamale500Yeah, it's great right! And yes absolutely, I don't notice any sides using tbol either. I've always had great results using tbol! Slow, steady gains of lean muscle. I find that it really works best when stacking it with multiple compounds(at least 2 other additional compounds), to really see the synergistic effects it has with them.
As for the anavar dose, I'd agree that you probably need at least 10mg daily to have any significant effect on reducing SHBG and freeing up more testosterone.+
nclassicYou can use 50 mg of Proviron per day. It will increase free test and your libido. If you will not be satisfied you could use 50 mg of Proviron in the morning and 50 mg in the evening.
100mg Provi the whole cycle long...bullshit!
i would end up in prison for not being able to control myself around pretty women
Alphamale500Hahaha, Lol!
Thanks. I knew that, just wondering if such a low anavar dose will have the same results as a higher dose in Proviron (50-100 mg Proviron vs 3-5 mg Anavar)
Roidrage99i would prefer proviron anyway cuse its not a alpha alkylated steroid and 25 mg pharma grade proviron every other day will do his job
nclassicNo. Anavar does not affect SHBG.
So confident in that reply, too
The starting point of my question is that IT DOES. No doubt about it. Just trying to compare it with proviron to know more.
Alphamale500Oh it doesnt? You better do more research kid!! Oxandrolone certainly lowers SHBG levels and therefore frees up more testosterone.
RustyhookerMagnifying glass....makwa. his forum covers free test
I didnt undesrtand your answer, Rusty. In what forum can I check for this free test info? Thanks.
jayiskscroll up top the magnifying glass symbol next to Sources. click on that its a search box for all info on eroids. Then you can find Mawkas topic post on it.
Copy that. Thanks.