+ 1 Back for 2nd cycle 6 years after first. A lot has changed. Looking for some clarity and help planning.
Hey guys,
About 6 years ago I ran 600mg test e x 12 or 14 weeks and loved it. Had some water retention but zero other sides. For PCT I did the basic nolva/clomid x 4 week taper and I hated it. One or both just didnt agree with me or were bunk and my back/shoulders broke out in acne, which I've never had before. I also went through some huge life events at the end that could have contributed to stress and acne. I did not do bloods so who knows.
I'm now mid 30s. I've spent the last 6 years continually exercising and lifting and fighting injuries. The last 2 years I've naturally gotten back to the strength I had in my 20s on test and am ready to give this another shot.
Stats because someone's gonna ask: 5'7 190 12ish%. 365/425/??? Bench/squat/dead (havent pulled in ages. previously was >500). 16 years experience starting at 114lb ameoba of a man. All other controllable factors are in check. And no I haven't pinned yet.
I'm looking at running test only again because it worked well without sides: sust at 500/week x 12 weeks. For PCT I picked up the usual nolva and clomid. However, my in-person supplier also gave me hcg and told me to look into an AI. Which brought me back to y'all.
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From what I can tell an AI makes sense to have on hand in case of sides, especially because sust is going to have a wider level of released test. I'd rather not take it unless needed, mostly because I'm a proponent of a "less is more" mentality. I'm finding a lot of mixed anecdotes on this and other sites.
Hcg is 10 x as convoluted. Some sources say to run it on cycle. Most recommend running it off cycle to begin PCT, which makes more sense to me to battle testicular atrophy, but I'm not a doctor.
So to put it all out there:
Sust 500 week ( every 3.5 days) x12 weeks
Nolva/ clomid beginning 18 to 20 days after last pin and tapering for 4 weeks.
Can anyone advise me on what the current meta is for AIs and hcg and if they would or wouldn't add them to my cycle? I'd really appreciate the help dosing and timing these if recommended.
Thank you.
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jayiski've run sus 250 in the past twice a wk and it was a waste. didnt realize i was doing it wrong until i read info on it here.
i cant do ed injects so i am doing M,W,F,Sun which keeps the blood levels stable enough. Notice a big difference running it this way. live and learn.
How refreshing to see someone who has put in some proper dedicated gym time and can lift some good numbers Before starting a steroid cycle - Good stuff man! +
nitetricks73Agreed!
Appreciate it, my man
I run HCG after cycle at 2000 IU's EOD. Yes I use an AI while on HCG! Hope this helps you.
Why after cycle vs on? Have you experienced testicular atrophy prior to starting it? If so, how long did it take to fill the boys back up?
^^ I agree with rusty, Sust is a bad choice bro. Injecting sust once or twice a week may seem like a good idea but in the end your not actually getting as much test as you think.
Eth or cyp is a much better choice 250x2 a wk.
I can tell you have done some reading...Do more reading research your compounds bro.
I've been reading that a lot around here. I dont really get it. Its primarily long esters. The short ester phenylprop makes up ~15% of the mix. And regardless of ester, 250mg test is 250 mg test. The attached ester just determines the rate of release.
I 100% dont mean to come off snarky here. Could you explain your response a little better?
Sustanon250 breakdown
the overall actual testosterone amount is 176mg when you take away the esters
90mg of it is short ester which needs to be injected daily to be truly effective, 100mg of sust is Deca which is an extremely slow ester in most cases needs to be front loaded taking a good bit of time to build up in the system.
60mg of Sust is Isocap which is very similar to eth or cyp, it needs to be injected twice a week to keep bloods truly stable. So injecting sust simply once or even twice a week is not sufficient, when you do the math and factor in the (ester rates x mg) the only real way to run Sust is daily or at very least EOD.
You got wrong info, bro. 250mg test is NOT 250mg test! The esters have their own weight, there is a info thread about this topic:
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/ester-value
First time seeing this thank you
RustyhookerSust is a bad choice unless youre pinning every day. Its really an advanced compound imo. Enth is cheap. Go buy that.
Ai...you never mentioned blood tests....
fix your stats on your main page
My source said he could switch it if I really want. I'm going to consider it based on these responses. Could you explain a little more though on the sust frequency and the ai/bloods comment? Thanks.
PcushionSust is a 4 ester blend and not good at providing stable blood levels unless you pin it eod preferably ed. You rollercoaster your blood levels you open the door to side effects. Just run e or c for now.
Because sit is made up of short / medium / really long esters ... if your only pinning 2x a week your blood levels will be every where.. Sust is best if your pinning it everyday.. so that’s why