Test Suspension sides compared to other test sides
Hey guys. As I'm sure everyone is aware of, test suspension is said to be much more prone to causing serious sides than other different esters of testosterone, like test propionate, test cypionate or test enanthate. If it's the same exact hormone (testosterone), just with different esters attached, than why is testosterone suspension with no ester so much more prone to causing serious sides? This is just something that I was always curious about, because I really want to try it. Is it because of the speed at which the testosterone suspension takes effect on your body?
I've read many times that test is test, but that certainly isn't the case with test suspension, so I've read anyway. Personally, I've never tried test suspension because of the serious sides that I've always read and heard about. If the sides weren't said to be so serious, I would love to give it a try especially to help as a pre-workout. Anyway, any information will be appreciated. Thks.
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As Makwa said, all i want to do is sleep afterwards. Wouldnt be an issue if i worked out PM but i work out first thing in the morning, not the best to be snoring all day at work.
That being said, i have run brands and gotten zero pip from TNE and suspension, with BW to back up its potency. Being able to run with little to no pip is the only reason why i still go back to it from time to time. The lethargy afterwards and estro spikes are too hard to control/not worth it in my opinion.
Pain, ugh, no thanks!
PcushionI have run suspension a few times and the reward was not worth the trouble. As mentioned by other members I found it only beneficial as a preworkout. I wanted to point out one thing you may not be aware of based on your last response. An AI will definitely control estrogen, but they are also known to trash lipid values in their own right. The effect also seems to be more prominent stacked with AAS use. I read somewhere at a point that using a serm such as tamoxifen can actually help lipid values. I AM NOT SURE HOW TRUE THIS IS, but it might be worth researching further if lipid values are a major concern you have. I would also like to reinforce what press1 said in that there are no freebies with AAS us we will all pay the piper for using them at some point. Some will pay a heavier price than others. My stance on this is run bloodwork always, and for me in the end I would have rather lived 10 years a lion than 20 years a sheep. Happy pinning.
Alphamale500Thanks guys for all of your input. From everything I've read from you guys, I don't think I'm going to be trying test suspension. Some sides that nobody really talked about, but are some that I was very concerned with, are the effects that test suspension has on your lipids. Like cholesterol, blood pressure, and severe cardiovascular risks. But I guess that those sides can be somewhat delt with by using an AI to control the drastic rise in estrogen. And I'm guessing that tren suspension has even more sides. Either way, I don't think either tren or test suspension is right for me. Once again, thanks a lot to all of you guys.
The Truth is, if you are worried about the side effects steroids have on cholesterol, blood pressure & cardiovascular systems - let alone kidney's, liver, prostate etc then you'd be better off not even getting into them at all. Yes they are a very effective tool But there are consequences to be paid along the way, even small ones.
Alphamale500What?? I believe the truth is if you're not worried about the side effects steroids have on cholesterol, blood pressure & cardiovascular systems - let alone kidney's, liver, prostate etc, than I think you're being very reckless and foolish! No offense to you personally! Granted, there may be consequences down the road, but just because I'm concerned with side effects and how best to control or minimize them, doesn't mean I just shouldn't use gear to begin with. I understand that there are possibly very serious sides associated with juicing, and I accept that. But at the same time, I think it's not only smart, but necessary if you care about your body and your life, to learn which steroids you might want to use sparingly or not at all, the best stacks, best AI's, most effective ancillaries or whatever it may be to run your gear while counteracting or avoiding as many of the side effects as possible.
I believe, if you just go into using gear with the mindset of "fuck it, we're all gonna die one day anyway", or "if you're gonna use gear then you have to expect the consequences", that's just being very reckless. I'm very aware that using gear has side effects and possible consequences down the road, but if by doing your research and learning everthing you possibly can, using the correct ancillaries, using "safe" dosages, stacking the right gear together, using certain supps or avoiding certain steroids all together keeps the severity of the sides down or even avoids some altogether, then I really don't see what's wrong with thinking like that?
I love juicing and everything that goes with it. However, I really stride to maintain my health by any and all means necessary. And I don't think that just because I'm concerned with side effects and controlling or avoiding them to the best of my ability, that I just shouldn't use gear to begin with!
RustyhookerAgree. So spend a few days in here just READING old forums and do your research. Find out whats best for you directly, then ask questions.
Open ended questions will get open ended replies. Everyone has a differing view unless the search parameters are narrowed.
You basically asked...whats your favorite color of truck.
Alphamale500Your right, and will do. I was just trying to get the most up to date info on the topic. But I understand you though.
Excuse me? I was actually giving you some very responsible and straight forward advice there about getting into cycling steroids - you sound like a person who worries a lot about things and side effects etc so all I'm saying is if they are a big worry for you its best not to get into them full stop. Seeing another of your posts you say you suffer a lot from anxiety and depression, so that would also indicate to me they may not be the best solution for you and rather than get into all the ups and downs of running steroids then staying natural may be the better option for you. But, as seen as you have just received 5 Vials of Tren ace and are already wanting to smash in some test suspension after not long being on TRT I guess this will be wasted advice anyway.
Alphamale500I appreciate all of your advice and I didn't mean any offense by my response. I apologize if I came across like that, but that wasn't my intention, honestly. I'm not someone who's just beginning to getting into using or cycling steroids, like you said. I have run multiple cycles and stacks, orals and injectables in my past. I'm just saying that to give you a little bit of my background, and not trying to brag in any way.
However, I still stand by my comments. How each of us runs their gear is on them. Personally, I prefer to be very concerned with side effects and how best to avoid or minimize them. And I hope there's no hard feelings bro.
No worries man - they are just internet comments that can easily be taken the wrong way or misread - especially in a tren hunger or post workout all hyped up and you just think 'That MotherF'er - right lets haaave it!' Lol
Alphamale500Haha Lol! Cool bro. Alright, I'll talk to you soon on another topic! Have a great day bro. I gotta go take a shot right now anyway.
RustyhookerBoth of you said the same thing. We should be concerned. It will catch up with us sooner or later
Alphamale500Totally agreed!
I think he just took my first response as an attack on him rather than a generalisation for us all who cycle, all of its slightly damaging for our health however big or small no matter how many liver or heart supplements you take.
RustyhookerTyping the reply with the real intended message is always difficult. We cant use body language etc. I hear ya
jayiskALL drugs have side effects..most a lot worse that steroids. but when a dr writes a script how many people question the dr or research the script drug before filling it????
they you have illegal drugs.
and the 2 big drug killers that are legal...,alcohol and tobacco.
Yes steroids should be taken srs and with concern over health but some people go a little overboard.
this is a general statement not intended for the OP.
RustyhookerPandoras box. Huge topics right there bro. Big on info and health. Even healthy drugs have sides.
PcushionSo here we are again and I couldn’t agree more with what you said. Fact is we will all pay some price for steroid use. That’s just the cold hard truth the goal is to minimize the impact one recieves.
The crash afterwards. All I want to do is sleep. I don't bother with it anymore. Oh yeah, and it is also not fun feeling like you got belted with a bat where you pinned it.
Agree on pip lol
The hardest side of test suspension is the pip, thats why I stopped taking suspensions...
Can I ask why would you want to do suspension in a first place, from my experience this can only be beneficial to powerlifting athletes on a competition day. Don’t thing this substance is very useful in our bodybuilding community.
Being a BB you try to get your Testosterone to a desired level in your bloods and keep it there on the same level all the way through the cycle.
With Test Suspension you are like on roller coaster so don’t think this is a good drug for a BB
Alphamale500It's just something that I always see and read about, and I've always been a little curious about using it as a pre-workout. But I hear you and you're definitely right. I'm gonna stick with test prop, cyp, enan, and Sust as my test choices. Thks.
I mean you will never find out until you try for yourself man.
It aromatase at a higher faster rate than testosterone with an ester attached. Even though it leaves quickly it aromatase quickly also.
You would just need to watch your estrogen levels just like with any other testosterone or compound.
Use aromasin if just using suspension.
Nolvadex or proviron especially proviron would be a great addition
jayiskif test suspension is just used PWO the only sides should be PIP because its water based and having to use a larger gauge needle to pass through.
if thats the case use the oil based test TNE. if its from a good src goes through a 25 g no problem and no PIP.
never tried running it as part of a cycle as pinning 3 to 4 x's a day is too much for me.
Alphamale500Aren't there still lipid sides to worry about, even if just using it as a PWO? So are you saying that it's worth giving it a try as a PWO maybe on days with bodyparts that are lagging behind?
Totally agree - The stuff is only in you for about 2 hours before it wears off, if it were a cycle purely made up of test suspension then it would be different but not many have the desire or will to pin that stuff 3 times a day lol
NotNatural23I have used both oil and water based. The water based I used if I can say is (deleted) had little or no pip. I was expecting it after everyone talked about it and was surprised it didnt cripple me. I always find that the oil base has a strong smell and I have tried a couple different brands. The smell to me is a good one. One thing I do though is I always warm it up with a blow dryer.
The strong smell is Guaiacol mate...
If I use it only two days a week on back and leg days I don't notice any issues, but if I run it 5-6 days a week pwo my nipples get itchy pretty quick so I just use it sparingly and let some time pass between doses.
jayiskTrue. I only use TNE PWO on heavier training days or days i need something to help me out.
i only train every other day so yeah i could see using it all the time and 5-6 days a wk the issue of sides will come into play.
I tried TNE once but it had guac and eo in it and my wife forbade me from using it again. I did finish the vial but she said I couldn't get more, lol. I swear I could pin as carefully as possible and not spill a single drop but the bathroom, then the whole house, would start smelling skunky. Then when I sweat I would too. If you have a source for some non-stinky TNE hook me up via PM please?
Alphamale500Wow, it really smells that bad? I wasn't aware of that. And it smells like a skunky smell?
Honestly it's more musky than skunky, but bad enough to upset the female counterpart pretty badly, lol.
NotNatural23Have to go with the water based route then. I haven't found a tne that doesnt smell like that. That good ol smell. Lol
Take that brand name out of the post above asap, no source/brand in.open forum.
Agree on the smell though, lol. It's rough but I tolerated it fine, just the wife who was opposed. A girl behind the counter at a gas station told me she liked my cologne or aftershave though and I was like wtf? Lol.
NotNatural23Thanks did that. Wasnt sure if I could do that wasnt trying to hype them up or whatever just wanted to let people know that there is some suspensions with little or no pip.
jayiskhad one src that the smell was so bad no matter where i put it the wife bitched.
put it in a zipped up pocket of my jacket in the closet and still stunk up the whole closet.
put it in my dresser draw with my underwear and t shirts. i walked around as if i was wearing TNE cologne.
took a delt inject one day PWO at home and 1 1/2 later in the gym my friend smelled it on me.
The smell you are referring to is when the lab uses Guaiacol mate to keep the compound suspended, its used by 95% of them I'd say to produce TNE and injectable versions of orals. Its produced in the gut of Desert locusts! I like the smell of it like most people do lol BUT the taste and burning sensation when it hits the back of your throat when you hit blood is unbearable to me now - so much so I won't touch anything with it in.
Dude ! I love guacamole! I dont think thats what made me smell bad though. Must have bean the burrito...
Hahaha On Form again Bill! lol
jayiskI like the smell and the taste.
But then again i also like the taste of the everclear grain alcohol they put in my liquid dbol...,lol
Alphamale500Yeah I hate the taste of the alcohol that's put in liquid AI's and other "research chems". I won't even use any of those kinds of ancillaries or whatever.
Lol, looks like I'm sticking with aqua then.
I've gotten used to it enough that I don't get pip from glute shots, but haven't tried it anywhere else yet. I use a 23 now. I've used 25's with mixed success, but honestly just 1 or 2 times of 3-5 sticks and a blood covered cheek to get 100mgs in will turn you off the 25's. Haven't hit a clog with the 23 yet.
There are labs that make oil base without that poison. Check my reveiws
I've used Suspension many times and didn't notice any more sides than with other Tests. The only thing is the PIP and the clogging issues. However, the gains are unsurpassed.
A typical dose of TRT is about 100-150 mgs a week yeah? (After ester weight we’re talking 70-100 mgs of test)
A typical preworkout suspension shot is 100mgs yeah?
So if you take a weeks worth of testosterone and make it all hit your system in an hour, what do you think will happen? You nailed it. Sides.
I’ve seen guys pull bloods over 10,000 total test when using suspension. That’s 10 times the max amount of testosterone any guy would ever produce.
The effects are dramatic, both good and bad.
Alphamale500Yes, that's very true!