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supplementing gh cycle with mk677

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MK-677 Ibutamoren @ 25mg
hGH @ 2iu daily to start

Will be ramping up to 4iu daily
Weeks 1-4 = HGH 2 IU’s one injection
Week 5-7 = HGH 2.5 IU’s one injection
Week 8-10 = HGH 3.0 IU’s split into two injections of 1.50 IU’s each
Week 10-12 = HGH 3.5 IU’s split into two injections of 1.75 IU’s each
Week 12-16 = HGH 4.0 IU's split into two injections of 2.00 IU's each
stop hGH and MK-677 for 2-3 weeks after week 16
Week 20-22 = HGH resumes at 2iu - if sides are tolerable will go back to 4iu instead of 2iu

Before stopping I am thinking of getting IGF scores and then after resuming at week 20 and getting back to 4iu to do it without the mk677 and after 6 weeks checking the IGF scores again to see what effect the 25mg daily has on my IGF scores when ran along side of the gh

May reverse this and start without the mk677 and then add it in at week 20 when resuming.

johnmarshall12's picture

The HGH and MK are sort of a duplication. Like Makwa said start the HGH well before the AAS! It takes 4-5 weeks to kick in at above 2IU/da Pharma; higher for generics. The HGH combined with the AAS gives you the ability to gain size from the gear without gaining much fat!

Hoagie22's picture

The mk 677 sides were just for a week, maybe week and half with me...the eating and sleepiness is what I felt. Less then 2 weeks it stopped. Everyone reacts differently of course. That was at 25mg morning and 25mg before bed. I ran this with Ostarine and GW. So phenomenal results but will stick to mk 677 for the topic.

Running together with HGH @4iu/day split 2ius early morning, prior to eating then waiting to eat 20-30mins and keeping that meal away from carbs and fats, then another 2ius late afternoon (6-7 hours later from morning injection). Saw the benefits of hair softer, nails better, better energy, tighter skin and work out recovery time is amazing.

Like the great advice below, I’m ramping up 1.5-2months of HGH ED dosages to a 8-9 week AAS cycle. I’m more of a fan of longer cycles and longer esters but I have the gear (shorter esters) and suits my growth needs for this time period.

HGH full benefits are at like 3 months, most don’t have the money to continue that and switch to a good source for MK 677 as an alternative. I will say, HGH solo for me and my experience, trumps mk 677, it’s not in the same league.

Synergy wise together tho, now your talking. I lowered mk dosage a bit. I have a good handle on the water retention as it will cause you to hold water and will be posting blood work soon as I took the recommendations to get that first before making any other adjustments. Results physically are changing by the week now. Planning on cutting down to 8%bf before even starting Cycle so nutrition is always the most important.

Seeing how your body reacts to these items is key, meaning the blood work doesn’t lie. You the can make adjustments less or more with dosages to fit your goals. But more importantly, keep your body as optimal as you can health wise and know what/how it’s effecting you.

Good luck with everything and hope to hear some positive results for you.

BigThing's picture

What's the goal of this high run?

You're just 30 yo and the dose is on the lower side. I hope you're aware that it will not add much size to your frame, more likely tighten you up a little bit, which could be done without hgh. If money is no issue then go for it. Otherwise I would save and use it during a cycle, or during PCT to assist in recovery.

picholas's picture

What dose would you recommend then at my age for size?

Makwa's picture

If you are thinking GH is going to put much size on you, then you are barking up the wrong tree. You are looking at mega doses of GH along with some other peps which you are no where near experienced enough to be running. If you are wanting size then stick with AAS. You will be disappointed in GH if that is your goal.

PPGfreak's picture

If a financial decision I guess MK is better than nothing. But personally I don’t play around and just run hgh.

What’s your goal from this? Where do you want to get your igf levels?

I’d just drop the mk and add 1iu more of hgh and see better results.

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Makwa's picture

Starting your cycle and GH at the same time is not really an optimal way to do it. You want to start your GH well before your cycle so when cycle starts you have already titrated up to the max dose of GH you plan to take. Ramping it up during cycle is kind of a wasted opportunity. Personally, I wouldn't even bother with the MK, just stick with some good GH and add in some IGF.

picholas's picture

I'm sorry I am not sure what you mean by that.

"start your GH well before your cycle"

Do you mean the ramp up part shouldn't be considered part of the cycle?

Makwa's picture

Are you running the GH in conjunction with AAS?

picholas's picture

If timed correctly I should be able to fit in 2 small cycles 8 week cycles with enough time for PCT+time off. On for 2 month cycle + PCT 4 Weeks + Rest for 3 months but continue hgh then run another 8 week cycle and would be coming off hGH right when PCT for that one starts.

press1's picture

I've always been intrigued by mk677 but then 95% of the reviews I read talk of extreme lethargy on it - is this really what you want together with the sleepiness of the HGH?

pickle's picture

The lethargy was unreal, redbull/coffee did not help at all. Ran it 2 weeks and gave up and bought real gh. Lethargy is barely noticeable on 3iu and i sleep like a baby.

picholas's picture

On the other forum, the guy was running 4iu daily gh and went up to 50mg daily of mk677 before dropping back down to 25mg. Lowered his IGF scores by I think ~70. But he said he felt no more tired on it even at that dose than a normal gh cycle makes him.

He also said even though the mk677 half life is ~24 hours he was taking it close to his bed time and said that seemed to combat the lethargy aspect of it and allowed for a deep sleep where he actually felt refreshed in the morning.

Worst case scenario being
1. No significant increase in IGF scores
2. Extreme lethargy

Can just discontinue the mk677 and eat the loss as a 6 month supply of mk677 at 25mg is under $200.

I think it would be an interesting test to run with blood work backing it up versus anecdotal feedback.

stairmaster's picture

the lethargy is horrible! Sometimes it feels like u took a diaz tab!

press1's picture

Really, that bad is it?! Your head is on another planet type scenario..

picholas's picture

Also heard about B12 vitamin inject shots to combat the lethargy

stairmaster's picture

Nonsense imo, HGH is much "stronger" than MK, you'll see no benefits if u stack both!

I personally would increase the HGH dosage instead of stacking this both substances.

picholas's picture

2 people on 2 different forums did something similar and saw a 150-200 IGF increase score on 25mg of mk677 daily tested at 3iu and 4iu, going to test it myself.

Sure hGH has other benefits but those are seen as low as 2iu daily, so 4iu + 25mg MK should reflect in a higher IGF score than without.

If it is in fact nonsense should be relatively easy to see, if not it would be a very cost effective method of preserving hgh to extend usage.

stairmaster's picture

Pin 4IUs, do bloods then add 25mgs MK and do bloods again (6-8 weeks later) and compare mate!

picholas's picture

That's the plan, but was trying to determine if I should:

Start with the MK and 4ius of gh -- get bloods -- and then drop it and 6-8 weeks later get bloods again

OR

Start without the MK and just 4ius of gh -- get bloods - and then add it and 6-8 weeks later get bloods

vhman's picture

Keep it simple stupid! It’s always solid advice. Less is always more. Work hard and be solid on your diet and you’ll see great results.

stairmaster's picture

Plan B

Makwa's picture

Yep, plan B is the way to do it and make sure to get bloods so you have a baseline before starting any of it.