posted Sun, 05/13/2018 - 17:42
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3rd Cycle After 16 Months Natural
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Thinking about doing a 3rd cycle using the same thing I did on my 3rd (first being just Test E)
30
5'11
192 lbs
14-16% BMI
Cycle A:
Test E 18 weeks @ 500mg
EQ 14 weeks @ 500mg
or \
Cycle B:
Test E 12 weeks @ 500mg
Deca durabolin 10 weeks @ 400mg
Dianabol 30mg daily for the first 6 weeks
Usually run arimidex 0.5mg during EOD and 4 weeks of pct with clomid and nolva
Friend suggested some SARMS such gw501516 during the cycle, and mk2866 with pct but doing more research into that now.
Thoughts?
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RustyhookerAge: 29
Height: 5'11
Weight: 192
BF:
So you aged fast! But pic looks 19?
'just test e about 2 years back and then a test e + eq cycle after.'
So how do ya run two cycles but off for 16months here and 2 years on your intro?
The picture is of me as of less than a week ago, and my age is 29.
Not giving my exact birthday but I'll be 30 by the time I start my next cycle.
2 year ago and change I ran my first cycle of just test.
After finishing my PCT about 6 months later I ran the test + eq cycle I mentioned.
Since then another 16 months have passed where I haven't been on anything at all.
Not sure what the confusion is here?
RustyhookerYour cycle is overkill.
What would you suggest or change? There are 2 different cycles mentioned.
Test E + EQ
or
Test E + Deca + 6 week dianabol oral kick start
RustyhookerId suggest a big food meal plan. Test only. The rest is wasted.
basskiller89I agree with test only
Daily Totals:
Calories: 4000-4500
Protein: 320-350
Carb: 250-310
Fat: 125-160
Not sure why you are suggesting only Test...responded well to Test + EQ for my 2nd cycle, was thinking about just doing that again but was open to suggestions.
Appreciate your feedback but not looking to do just Test so if we can build from there would be nice.
RustyhookerSo your macros are off but you want a cosigner.
Not gonna happen.
Don't need a cosigner as nothing is purchased or set in stone. I am just seeking helpful and constructive criticism, again I am here to learn and grow. Now below your comment I am told my macros look good for putting on size, what is your problem with the proposed layout spread out through 6 meals daily?
RustyhookerYour math for one. 2400 from protein and carbs. How you get that total? You didnt......
Too much protein...half the carbs. All that gears a waste. You wont grow on 3300 cals. Youre bout 25 pounds light. Which is food and gym.
Protein and Carbs are 4 calories per gram and fat is 9 calories per gram.
So 3400 minimum and 4080 max would be the exact math. I eat less on my rest days. Correcting myself and say:
Calories: 3400-4080
Protein: 320-350 (1280-1400)
Carb: 250-310 (1000-1240)
Fat: 125-160 (1125-1440)
That's what I am eating now, would obviously increase on a cycle. Not going to use all that gear decided you were right and I was just overly eager to get back in it so sticking with Test E + EQ.
If you have any suggestions to tweak my meal plan would be much obliged.
Cheers!
Rustyhooker3840 cals. Not enough carbs. But hell, given your godlike stats i should be asking you for help. Theres nothing like coming in 25 pounds underweight but knowing it all. You get a gold star. Just not for math or learning.
Man up.....go run it. Cosigned. Lol.
Thats all ya wanted.....excuses and a lil pat on the head.
If I knew it all I wouldn't have posted here asking for constructive criticism nor would I be taking people's advice. I am clearly trying to put on some more size. No excuses, and again don't need a co-sign. Again realize everyone isn't so friendly on the internet but research and other people's advice/opinion is how you learn.
Aside from your snarky attitude and sardonic underlying tone, you do appear to know what you are talking about which is why I am continuing to engage you at this point. Maybe you're 10+ cycles in at this point but everyone starts somewhere. Especially online you encounter a lot of conflicting messages, so I am doing my best to discern what is beneficial and helpful and what is not.
Rustyhooker3860 is maintenance calories. So wheres your growth? Whatever youre doing aint working. As everyone here pointed out. All natural guys with proper diet hit 220....THEN bust a cycle. High school football kids.
Just do it bruh. Jump in. 80 bucks a bottle for eq and mismatched gear to food will be a great curve.
http://www.calculator.net/calorie-calculator.html?ctype=standard&cage=29...
From the calculator you provided and my information
You need 3,196 Calories/day to maintain your weight.
3,196
You need 2,696 Calories/day to lose 1 lb per week.
2,696
You need 2,196 Calories/day to lose 2 lb per week.
2,196
You need 3,696 Calories/day to gain 1 lb per week.
3,696
You need 4,196 Calories/day to gain 2 lb per week.
Like I said, on off days I eat less. But generally I am well above 3800
How is that maintenance if I am consistently between 3400-4100?
Look you can know your stuff, which I am admitting that you do, and still act like a sarcastic jerk, which you are. There's no correlation. Again as I have stated in almost every post, I do not know everything, I am here to learn and grow. I am not a scientist I don't pretend to know all the internal workings and mechanisms of the human body and I can't exactly go to a doctor for this stuff, so everything I know is from word of mouth and my own research.
There is a lot of conflicting and confusing information out there, so I am being proactive and seeking out the opinions of experienced users to further my knowledge and understanding. This is the first forum I am joining and first time I am getting information outside the few people in my gym who have some knowledge of this area and are willing to share.
It's a lot more than $80 to just jump in a go. For 16 weeks. Would more than one bottle of test and eq. Plus the arimidex, and the PCT.
I know my genetics. I also have Hashimoto's disease so my thyroid is out of wack it constantly can switch between hypothyroid and hyperthyroid. I didn't hit puberty until I was 17. I am not hitting 220 lbs naturally. I am not looking to "jump in" anything. Like I said trying to get constructive criticism. You can down-vote me or whatever for being real and not knowing everything if it makes you happy and slap on whatever unnecessary unhelpful opinions you have of me. So you can keep on doing what you're doing, or you can help.
Rustyhooker3705 to maintain. Or you clicked the not active setting. Wont matter when your cals and macros arent correct.
And suddenly you have hashimotos disease. As if thyroid isnt a major issue in whatever you plan here. Lol.
Whats next? Wooden leg with a kickstand too?
What part of your cycle plan is over your head did you miss? Good time trolling. Go run it. Simple.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hashimotos-disease/sympto...
https://thyroidpharmacist.com/articles/best-diet-for-hashimotos-hypothyr...
Multiple diets have been reported to reverse Hashimoto’s and/or other autoimmune conditions, including a gluten-free diet, iodine-free diet, Feingold Diet, Specific Carbohydrate Diet, GAPS Diet, The Paleo Diet, Autoimmune Paleo Diet, soy-free diet, dairy-free diet, low-FODMAPs Diet, the Body Ecology Diet, vegetable juicing and elemental diets.
The connecting thread behind these diverse diets is that they all remove various reactive foods. Most of the diets also include animal proteins, are more nutrient dense than the Standard American Diet, and remove processed foods.
While vegan and vegetarian diets have been reported to be extremely helpful with autoimmune and chronic conditions, I have not been able to find reports of people recovering from Hashimoto’s by following a vegan diet. Even devout vegans who are nutritionally conscious still struggle with low body temperatures, hypothyroidism and Hashimoto’s.
But none of that matters right??
You need 3,196 Calories/day to maintain your weight.
3,196
You need 2,696 Calories/day to lose 1 lb per week.
2,696
You need 2,196 Calories/day to lose 2 lb per week.
2,196
You need 3,696 Calories/day to gain 1 lb per week.
3,696
You need 4,196 Calories/day to gain 2 lb per week.
4,196
Age: 30
Gender: male
Height: 5 feet 11 inches
Weight: 192 pounds
Activity: Very Active
Same results, try it yourself. Or keep downvoting me I really don't care about that
I see an endocrinologist for the past 11 years, diets didn't work even tried keto, take levothyroxine 25 mcg.
Feingold is just an elimination diet, Specific Carbohydrate Diet is just used to treat some of the gastrointestinal symptoms that can occur from hashimotos, same with GAPS, Paleo is just keto with more carbs and less fat, I am already soy free, make my own mayonnaise and everything. Dairy free is just for symptoms again more of a comfort thing. low-FODMAPs Diet same as previous, the Body Ecology Diet I am all about probiotics this actually helped, and as for the Body Ecology Diet my endo said take aminos and drink a gatorade. Juicing is okay but does little to nothing with hashimotos.
You can drop the Eddie Murphy jokes. Not suddenly, have had it for almost 2 decades now, or at least that is when it was diagnosed. I wasn't aware I had to share my personal medical history with everyone here to get constructive criticism. Also I am allergic to most tree nuts, and 2 antibiotics, I like long walks on the beach, and people who actually give real useful information free of sardonic underlying tones.
Give it a try. Lower my karma more. Do whatever you like. But don't assume to know me.
4200 calories per day minimum on cycle to bulk for you. This will need to be adjusted up as your weight goes up. Your macros are all wrong. Way too much protein. You need to drop this to 220g, Fats at 100g and the rest carbs. This is how you grow and use a cycle of AAS to the fullest effect. Yes you may get a bit fat but if you really want to put on mass and grow to ultimately develop that full effect when cut this is how.
Simple test cycle with provi at 50mg split ED and if you want to try something “new” try pulse anadrol at 50mg ED split dose two weeks on two weeks off for the duration and remember liver support (TUDCA).
RustyhookerBoom....thank you!
Calories: 4200-4470
Protein: 200-220 (800-880)
Carb: 625-650(2500-2600)
Fat: 100-110 (900-990)
How would this sound?
As for running an oral with test, what is the benefit to running it off and on the whole cycle as opposed to just the first 6 weeks?
Thanks for your help thus far!
That’s looks spot on in terms of macros.
For most orals you just run 4 to 6 weeks at the start of end of the cycle but drol specifically tends to have diminishing gains after about 2 weeks. So running is on and off stops this problem and maximises the gains and allows you to run it for the whole cycle without screwing the pooch with your liver - provided you run TUDCA alongside of course.
I do still think you need to explore your condition with some others on here with similar issues before you continue pumping aas into your body. Perhaps a new forum post asking for input would be worthwhile.
What’s your blood work (full panel plus hormones) like by the way.
I couldn't find the one with hormones, I'll get it checked later this month. Here are my 2 most current blood works.
Most current:
https://i.imgur.com/Dc5hjzR.png
Prior Year:
https://i.imgur.com/MUZNZm2.png
Thoughts?
Yes let’s see the one with the hormones. Do you drink alcohol? Previous years triglycerides are very high better this year but still higher than I would expect.
I drink maybe once every 2 months. Holidays, social events, family outings, etc. But I am in all honesty a light weight and it doesn't take more than 3-4 drinks to do me dirty.
Yes, they told me it was due to my intake of mainly fructose. I had just got over being sick, I think you can see slightly elevated WBC and lymphocytes, and the calcium oxalate crystals. Passed a small kidney stone and had a minor infection. Was drinking a lot of cranberry juice to help. They knew I wasn't fasting so they told me not to worry about it.
The more recent test I was fasting, but it's still a bit high is probably because I love orange juice lol
I'll post it up as soon as I get my blood done again
From what I've garnered thus far, once you are managing the condition and getting your blood taken and monitored and your TSH, T3, T4 levels are all in range you can take AAS just like everyone else. Let me see if I can find the most recent blood work results when I get home from work.
I know people that are taking over 200mcg of T4.
Myself, over 280mg of pork based desiccated thyroid a fucking day.
25mcg ???? You have a very mild case.
Here is my lab results:
https://i.imgur.com/VTbTej1.png
Here is my medication history:
https://imgur.com/a/HcoDPZk
My endo said it's just not very advanced, but will only get worse as I get older.
Did he only test for TSH?
Not initially. He did a blood test to confirm the presence of antibodies against thyroid peroxidase (TPO antibodies)
Looking for the original test before I started my medication that shows my out of normal ranges. Will update as soon as I have them.
So he tested for tsh and then for the antibodies, but what about the t4 tests (t4, ft4, rt4) and t3 tests?
I'm getting it faxed over, will update with test results.
My wife has hashi’s and she’s on 180 per day. She’s a lot better than she was before the diagnosis, but still not perfect and it’s always about trying to dial it in a bit more with her. It’s a bit difficult given that her endos she’s been to each have a different approach and what not... also interesting that none of them ever check her T3 levels which is really the only thing that matters.
I’m assuming you’re on armour?
Yes , Armour.
I don't know of anybody that feels normal that is on thyroid meds. I can go all day on my meds and feel normal, then I feel like I run into a wall. No energy, dragging an anchor, and my brain starts to shut down, like becoming a zombie. It becomes a real struggle just to get up the stairs to bed, then a fight to get to sleep. The time frame from normal to wiped out,..... Less than 3 minutes.
My body hasn't begun to attack my thyroid too much according to my endo so he has me on a small dose. I see him every 3-6 months with bloodwork and it's holding me so far.
My grandfather and mother both have graves disease and they're well over 150mcg, it will continue to deteriorate as I get older.
RustyhookerCommon sense. Using drugs when you have current aiments isnt smart. Nor is it smart to suddenly realize that its pertinent.
Not reading your phish tails bruh. I do not believe anything you posted.
If you would like I can easily post my bloodwork and show you my T3, T4, and TSH levels. Look I have nothing to gain from lying about having this disease, wish I didn't but I do. So I would like to try and push pass this to develop a physique I can be proud of and comfortable in. Not sure why you're so hateful and negative to someone seeking help.
Post them up. Remember to remove any personal info.
Here is my lab results:
https://i.imgur.com/VTbTej1.png
Here is my medication history:
https://imgur.com/a/HcoDPZk
Hope this satisfies you.
Damn lol
How is that helpful?
basskiller89The macros look relatively well thought out, you'll definitely grow from that
The reason we are all suggested test only is because there is no need for a second compound. If you think you're going to grow more because you add a second compound you are mislead brother. As Rusty said above, adding a second compound is just wasting gear. At the end of the day it's your body and your decision on what you will run. If you're hell bent on adding a second compound I would advise sticking with two 17 nors before jumping into a double 19 nor + 17 nor stack
Fair enough, I think I will run the Test + EQ again actually after your guys feedback. I really liked how I felt after the 8th week last time from EQ.
Still getting my feet wet here so open to all suggestions. Thanks for explaining, I am fine adjusting my plan as needed, I just like to understand the reason why behind the advice I get
Good catch.
RustyhookerHe just wants cosigner. Maybe he mixes both options and adds 50 pounds for his pro debut.
Again, not once did I ask for a "cosigner" as you keep saying, just advice and constructive criticism. If you get your rocks off being sarcastic to people still learning and seeking advice/help by all means have fun at my expense.
I'll be 30 by the time I start the cycle, was just factoring that in
Hey man, yeah save the SARMs for when you are off if you have already bought them, or save yourself the money and don't buy them at all if you haven't. I saw below where you were asking how long you should run EQ- just research the substance, the ester and successful cycle logs for yourself. Nobody here is going to tell you exactly how long to use something. It's not because we are dicks, but because this is a safety first site and the most critical aspect to being able to run AAS safety and properly is the ability to do your own research.
A few things I will tell you:
-Before I started TRT, Deca was the hardest substance for me to recover from. Make sure your PCT is very solid. I advise researching "PCT for advanced cycle", "Advanced PCT" and "HCG while on Cycle", amending your proposed PCT based on your research and posting it up here for review.
-It seems that you are wanting to keep the length of this cycle to less than 20 weeks, which is very reasonable. Maybe look into running NPP instead of Deca. You could knock almost 4 weeks off of cycle duration while still having the same amount of time with peak levels of the hormone. It will clear quicker too.
-I have never used EQ so I don't have much to say about it other than the ester is longer than Deca's and you will need to donate blood before you start and at every time you are eligible while on due to it's amazing job of boosting red blood cell production.
Good luck and keep us posted
No need to explain, totally understand. As for asking the length for EQ I was just curious what other's thought. I really didn't "feel it" last time until about week 8.
PCT is as followed:
4 weeks
clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
with
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
I never really had an issues with my testes/LH levels so I never have used hCG during a cycle.
I was considering Primo or NPP instead of Deca but my close friend who is a professional body builder swears with the way I responded to just test and then the test + eq cycle that I would have fantastic results with deca.
Question:
If I ran test e for 2 weeks solo before starting NPP would that work instead of using test p to start or test sust?
(not sure how I feel about running a 4 test combo vs a single ester)
EDIT: Can't upvote yet, but know I would if I could -- thanks thus far!
No worries. In theory, yeah you could just start the Test-E early, but you won't know your exact levels at week 2, it would be more of just an estimate based on how much would have been released from the volume injected. I prefer to just kick start with prop to know exactly where I'm at.
I am going to double down on the HCG though. You see pretty educated on AAS use, but 19-nor's are at a whole different level when it comes to shutdown and re-start. If you do decide to use Deca of NPP, at least buy some and have it on hand in case your planned PCT doesn't get you fully re-start Ed. Much better to have it and not need it then the other way around.
basskiller89I don't think anything more than a 750mg test run + ai is going to do anything here brother
I think EQ needs to be run for a minimum of 16 weeks and am not a fan of 12 week cycles unless it's your first cycle. I think 14-16 weeks is a more logical choice. Adding sarms to a cycle is like driving to the gym at night and doing 4 mins cardio when you already did 90 mins fasted cardio earlier that morning