Definitely looks strange. But IGF convertantion is a really big question with a lot of different factors.
Do you have unopened vial from your order to send it to the laboratory ? (like Gentauni did)
We will cover expenses if result will be bad
Still have 3 kits.
I’m going to try leveling out liver enzymes, increasing estro, and lowering DHT agents before I get back on and run another set of bloods. If same results then I’ll send a sample out.
Guys got you below and possible effect of primo as well as the liver being taxed. I’ve got a question on your estrodial. I feel I’m reading the results correctly this is pretty tanked? You didn’t mention an AI but I’m assuming you’re taking one? Can you please confirm and if so which one and what dose?
No AI. No DA. I keep my test low enough that I don’t need one. You may have a point though. I’m going to maintain my provi and double my test. Hopefully this will double my estro as that’s the only aromatizing compound I’m running (discounting the bold). Does this sound like a good plan? I could throw some dbol for a week to jack it up quick but my liver is already taxed so I’d rather not.
It’s the bold that’s causind your estro to crash. I does happen and has happened to me. Is keep the provi at the dose you’re running and up the test. Alternatively 250IU HCG twice a week will probably see some decent estro conversion. So a few ways to skin this cat. Don’t touch the dbol with your liver already taking strain. Oh and assume the provi is Pharmagrade? Seen guys taking ugl provi which ended up being adex in the past and this caused crashes estro as expected and messed up lipids.
Edit: get on some TUDCA 250mg twice a day for 4 weeks
As great as seeing bloods are this is the very reason why I prefer HPLC testing.
So many factors that people forget to mention when doing the testing that can really throw things out for a loop.
Other compounds, nutrition, organ function not to mention just body chemistry and whether someone is even a responder to GH much less a good one.
Always appreciate the blood work (just knowing guys are keeping an eye on things) but clearly the variance level of just one individual without US knowing all the factors we can get a super high or low reading and I just have issues "banking" on someone else's bloodwork vs HPLC.
If the compound is legit and good quality...that is all that matters since we will all react differently.
There are some that are questioning another sources quality and to be honest...I had some of the best responses from that one. As much as I like MGT and will continue I do have to say I will always trust my response (what the mirror and at times the scale) is telling me than someone's bloodwork
It’s DP. I do have Balkan I could switch to, but my free test was 350 out of 850 total test so I’m pretty sure it’s legit. The hcg is an excellent idea. I’ll go that route for now. In the past I’ve run tudca a little higher and longer than you’re advising, would a gram for 8 weeks yield better results? My health is my first priority.
IMO- your plan of doubling test, maintaining provi, and disc. bold is solid- I wouldn’t touch dbol, as you personally know how damn toxic it is- that would be counterproductive to improving liver health/values.
Do you have any liv 52 or NAC?
Choline and inositol are great as well- they make a blend with 1000mg of each in a capsule. Dr. Rand recommends to take 3000mg of each daily
I was running no liver support at all with the tbol to see if I needed it. Obviously I did, so I’ll be starting one gram of tudca before bed for the next 8 weeks. No alcohol and lots of water. I’ll recheck my values then (as well as cholesterol because my cholesterol was not great on this test) and that should be around the end of my cycle anyway. Then I can check the growth with nothing else in my system and compare.
If you do another Blood Test on another kit, maybe include GH Serum similar to your other test on generic yellow top
(Adding GH Serum can help to determine if the issue could possibly be with you and not the HGH....especially with the amount of additional drugs) Tren A lowers my IGF1 when using HGH everytime
++s
I spoke to Dope, he was on some pharma gh and tested his igf-1, he mentioned to me he started primo, and I asked him if he could test his igf-1 2-3 weeks after starting the primo, he did and his igf-1 dropped nearly 200 points. So there’s another test proving DHT inhibits igf-1...and proving I’m not crazy haha
Lol.....I didn't think you were crazy bro......blood work Vs testing the actual vial/kit......I used to think and post that IGF1 scores were in strict relation to iU/mG dose (linear)......which it was for me on most of my blood work results....until I changed my cycle compounds and even blasted 10IUs........that all skewed (lowered) my results in some cases.......but I was using real HGH, some tested at lab etc.....so I realized then blood work results aren't always an accurate reflection of the "quality" of the HGH
Definitely waiting for a retest then. I’ll do it off cycle and let the gh shine. I see that as the best way to run it conservatively anyway. Alternating growth and anabolics so you can always be in an anabolic (or at least lypolitic) state.
Did you start the Tren before or after your IGF baseline results? Reason I'm asking is because you would think that the Tren alone would raise it to some degree. Just curious if this is an individual issue or an issue with the product....i know neither one if those options are desirable.
Bearded have you had any problems with your liver converting gh to igf1? Ever had elevated results from prior hgh? Have you ran igf1? Damn I wish u had a gh serum done. Reconstitution any problems?
Yes. Not sure if it degraded to nothing during transport or what happened. Will be pulling bloods again after another kit and if I get another reading like this I’ll be asking for my money back.
Well that freakin sucks! I've still got multiple kits I'm working on. Let us know bro. I may be interested in testing as well. I don't wanna be throwing money at some bullshit. Keep us updated.
Definitely looks strange. But IGF convertantion is a really big question with a lot of different factors.
Do you have unopened vial from your order to send it to the laboratory ? (like Gentauni did)
We will cover expenses if result will be bad
Still have 3 kits.
I’m going to try leveling out liver enzymes, increasing estro, and lowering DHT agents before I get back on and run another set of bloods. If same results then I’ll send a sample out.
Thank bro !
Please keep me informed about situation, I will follow your result
thank for sharing
i have also the same problem - low IGF after gh from MGT
+2 for posting bloods.
Guys got you below and possible effect of primo as well as the liver being taxed. I’ve got a question on your estrodial. I feel I’m reading the results correctly this is pretty tanked? You didn’t mention an AI but I’m assuming you’re taking one? Can you please confirm and if so which one and what dose?
No AI. No DA. I keep my test low enough that I don’t need one. You may have a point though. I’m going to maintain my provi and double my test. Hopefully this will double my estro as that’s the only aromatizing compound I’m running (discounting the bold). Does this sound like a good plan? I could throw some dbol for a week to jack it up quick but my liver is already taxed so I’d rather not.
It’s the bold that’s causind your estro to crash. I does happen and has happened to me. Is keep the provi at the dose you’re running and up the test. Alternatively 250IU HCG twice a week will probably see some decent estro conversion. So a few ways to skin this cat. Don’t touch the dbol with your liver already taking strain. Oh and assume the provi is Pharmagrade? Seen guys taking ugl provi which ended up being adex in the past and this caused crashes estro as expected and messed up lipids.
Edit: get on some TUDCA 250mg twice a day for 4 weeks
+1
As great as seeing bloods are this is the very reason why I prefer HPLC testing.
So many factors that people forget to mention when doing the testing that can really throw things out for a loop.
Other compounds, nutrition, organ function not to mention just body chemistry and whether someone is even a responder to GH much less a good one.
Always appreciate the blood work (just knowing guys are keeping an eye on things) but clearly the variance level of just one individual without US knowing all the factors we can get a super high or low reading and I just have issues "banking" on someone else's bloodwork vs HPLC.
If the compound is legit and good quality...that is all that matters since we will all react differently.
There are some that are questioning another sources quality and to be honest...I had some of the best responses from that one. As much as I like MGT and will continue I do have to say I will always trust my response (what the mirror and at times the scale) is telling me than someone's bloodwork
It’s DP. I do have Balkan I could switch to, but my free test was 350 out of 850 total test so I’m pretty sure it’s legit. The hcg is an excellent idea. I’ll go that route for now. In the past I’ve run tudca a little higher and longer than you’re advising, would a gram for 8 weeks yield better results? My health is my first priority.
IMO- your plan of doubling test, maintaining provi, and disc. bold is solid- I wouldn’t touch dbol, as you personally know how damn toxic it is- that would be counterproductive to improving liver health/values.
Do you have any liv 52 or NAC?
Choline and inositol are great as well- they make a blend with 1000mg of each in a capsule. Dr. Rand recommends to take 3000mg of each daily
I was running no liver support at all with the tbol to see if I needed it. Obviously I did, so I’ll be starting one gram of tudca before bed for the next 8 weeks. No alcohol and lots of water. I’ll recheck my values then (as well as cholesterol because my cholesterol was not great on this test) and that should be around the end of my cycle anyway. Then I can check the growth with nothing else in my system and compare.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21839661/
++ for testing bro but as tren mentioned primo could be the factor of low igf sucks.
Thanks for testing B
If you do another Blood Test on another kit, maybe include GH Serum similar to your other test on generic yellow top
(Adding GH Serum can help to determine if the issue could possibly be with you and not the HGH....especially with the amount of additional drugs) Tren A lowers my IGF1 when using HGH everytime
++s
I spoke to Dope, he was on some pharma gh and tested his igf-1, he mentioned to me he started primo, and I asked him if he could test his igf-1 2-3 weeks after starting the primo, he did and his igf-1 dropped nearly 200 points. So there’s another test proving DHT inhibits igf-1...and proving I’m not crazy haha
Lol.....I didn't think you were crazy bro......blood work Vs testing the actual vial/kit......I used to think and post that IGF1 scores were in strict relation to iU/mG dose (linear)......which it was for me on most of my blood work results....until I changed my cycle compounds and even blasted 10IUs........that all skewed (lowered) my results in some cases.......but I was using real HGH, some tested at lab etc.....so I realized then blood work results aren't always an accurate reflection of the "quality" of the HGH
Oh I know I did t think so, the crazy was more of a self judgement haha.
But yea pretty interesting how some compounds will negate others.
51/50
Goddamn. That’s no small difference either.
No kidding. And I bet in another 3-4 weeks it’ll be less
Definitely waiting for a retest then. I’ll do it off cycle and let the gh shine. I see that as the best way to run it conservatively anyway. Alternating growth and anabolics so you can always be in an anabolic (or at least lypolitic) state.
Yea seems like it, or just simple test/gh cycles some times
Diabetes?
Fasting glucose was 75
I don't see a glucose level. Liver enzymes elevated
What else are you taking, all other compounds?
40-60 mgs tbol
250 tren e
500 primo e
200 bold cyp
300 EQ
125 test e
50 provi
Did you start the Tren before or after your IGF baseline results? Reason I'm asking is because you would think that the Tren alone would raise it to some degree. Just curious if this is an individual issue or an issue with the product....i know neither one if those options are desirable.
Tren I’m coming up on week ten. After baseline.
Well I did learn something. I'm running Primo as well. I didn't realize it could interfere with IGF production. Thanks for testing bro.
I’ll bet if you drop the primo your igf-1 will raise. DHT affects igf-1 conversion
what time of day did you get your labs done? Why run it before bed? Aren't igf1 naturally elevated when you sleep?
I am just wondering because I am running the same stuff at 2iu in the morning and it seams to be working very well.
Wha time labs were done and igf while u sleep has nothing to do with anything
cool story bro. Sleep and IGF-1 has lots to do with everything.
Not with exogenous hgh schmuck
I’m getting the dreams, just surprised at the igf levels.
Labs done in the morning, I saw some guys had better success with PM shots so I gave it a try
Save yourself a lot of heartache and wasted time and buy bulk pharm.
X2
Bearded have you had any problems with your liver converting gh to igf1? Ever had elevated results from prior hgh? Have you ran igf1? Damn I wish u had a gh serum done. Reconstitution any problems?
In the past my numbers haven’t been the highest but I ran 6 iu of another brand on here with success
Well that's really sucks. Hope we all can help or figure out what happened. Damn
So 3.5 iu didn't raise igf at all bc it's same as baseline
Yes. Not sure if it degraded to nothing during transport or what happened. Will be pulling bloods again after another kit and if I get another reading like this I’ll be asking for my money back.
That’s the same as my baseline reading.
Well that freakin sucks! I've still got multiple kits I'm working on. Let us know bro. I may be interested in testing as well. I don't wanna be throwing money at some bullshit. Keep us updated.