posted Mon, 07/30/2018 - 21:10
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+ 15 How to increase igf/mgt bloodwork
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This is the same growth I ran before.
What did I do different?
Dropped the primo, dropped the tren, dropped the provi, dropped the EQ
Brought estro back up
Knocked down liver values with 1 gram per day tudca
After detoxing and just my 150mg per week trt these are the numbers I really wanted to see.
5 iu split am/pm most days. Occasionally in one slug if I didn’t have the time.
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Thank you for sharing this really great experience !!!!!
Thank you for the quality product. This shows how much other compounds can affect levels and a true test for quality should always be on just GH alone. Your stuff is very good.
daaamn i called that one haha
nice number.
You did indeed. Always appreciate you sharing some of your knowledge on this tricky little peptide.
Ehh no worries, we just had the same kind of “problem”
I had a nearly 600igf with a certain gh, added mast to my then cycle then had bloods done again, igf down to 300 ish, stopped the mast and igf went back up, that sparked all my looking into dht/gh interaction, don’t wanna be blowing money on gh if it’s nit raising my igf haha
Solid. Impressive investigation. +'s
Is this exactly the same batch as your previous blood test?
From the changes you made, I would assume dropping tren, bringing your estro up and getting your liver values in check made the most difference. I really can’t see or think of a logical phyisiological reason on why primo, eq or dht would impact igf conversion. But I could be wrong. Would like hail to chime in. I know that tren lowers his igf levels, don’t know about the other compounds though
"One important function of DHT in the body that does not get much discussion is its antagonism of estrogen. Some men that take Proscar learn this the hard way—by developing a case of gynecomastia. By reducing DHT's protection against estrogen in the body, these men have fallen victim to its most dreaded ramification-bitch tits.
How does DHT protect against estrogen? There are at least three ways that this likely occurs. First of all, DHT directly inhibits estrogens activity on tissues. It either does this by acting as a competitive antagonist to the estrogen receptor or by decreasing estrogen-induced RNA transcription at a point subsequent to estrogen receptor binding.
Second of all, DHT and its metabolites have been shown to directly block the production of estrogens from androgens by inhibiting the activity of the aromatase enzyme. The studies done in breast tissue showed that DHT, androsterone, and 5alpha-androstandione are potent inhibitors of the formation of estrone from androstenedione. 5alpha-androstandione was shown to be the most potent, while androsterone was the least.
Lastly, DHT acts on the hypothalamus/pituitary to decrease the secretion of gonadotropins. By decreasing the secretion of gonadotropins you decrease the production of the raw materials for estrogen production testosterone and androstenedione (DHT itself cannot aromatize into estrogens). This property of DHT comes into particular utility when it is administered exogenously, and this is to be discussed in further detail in the next section."
https://www.bodybuilding.com/content/the-facts-and-myths-about-dht.html
in short from what i find, IGF-1 needs 5-AR activity, and DHT compounds BLOCK the 5-AR enzyme.
https://forum.propeciahelp.com/t/igf-i-is-a-regulator-of-5ar-activity/2347
Thanks for the info. The study was an interesting read. I know that estrogen is vital for igf production hence my mention that to get that up would of made a difference. However I read it quickly so unless I missed it or it went over my head I didn’t manage to find how dht blocks 5a reductase. In fact found this line “DHT, but not testosterone, at 10(-7) M significantly increased 5 alpha R activity”. The study seems to talk about igf 1 being an important regulator in 5ar activity and thus maybe impacting dht formation. Dht and 5ar go hand in hand. The person that posted that study on the website seems to make the connection between low 5ar activity and low igf. People using dht blockers like propecia should probably be worried about that statement. But from what I read and understood I still can’t make the direct link between taking dht compounds apart from estrogen like mentioned. I’ll have to make some time to research this a bit more
Yes sir same batch same order.
Cool, I ordered some aqua last week so hopefully I have these kinda results too
DobermannSolid work;)i wonder if primo or eq will have impact on igf
I started primo this week and plan to do bloods in one month to check my igf again.++++
I’m betting it goes down. I’ve seen it on multiple brands at multiple times on my own bloodwork.
DobermannI bet too i hear too many guys talk about it.i am doing a mini cut so i am not super concerned,mainly looking for liposis.
But definetly wanna test myself and learn more about my own body reacting to it.ill keep u guys posted here as well.cheers;)
That's what I like to see brother! Consistency!!! +1 thank you sir.
GlycogenGuyBearded how and where do I get bloods done? Labcorp?
Order through privatemdlabs and use code rhino for 15% off. Then pick a labcorp location and make an appointment there. Pretty simple.
GlycogenGuyThanks BM
How much igf value is considered dangerous and for how long? i assume u cant stay with that igf value for +3 months?, i have bad knowledge on GH
+1 for test
You could probably have a serum of 300 elevated for years. 550 is a bit much for long term use. As I said I only take it when I’m off cycle so it’s about half the year. Maybe a little less.
Maybe hail or another of our gh masterminds around here will weigh in.
yes, that's what i thought for long term use is dangerous for organs probably, i'm wayyy too young for GH anyways I don't compete, but it's nice to have general knowledge you know
Nice, thank you for re-testing +2
what’s the point of high IGF numbers but trt dose.
Enhanced recovery, assistance staying lean while detoxing and off anabolics. Also I know I’m getting the most out of the growth because on cycle I might be fucking up my igf conversion.
I hear guys say you need to run gear with growth because the new muscle fibers from the hyperplasia need the anabolics to bulk up. But won’t they still be there when you start up your next cycle? Thoughts?
I totally hear you. I’m kind of in between thoughts on the best way to use hgh. I’ve had an amazing cycle with ed shots of growth but also another cycle that was about 3 months after a growth run and I blew up. I guess at the end of the day you really can’t go wrong. High IGF levels is win win
No doubt.
Palumbo had an interview talking about his athletes bitching about not seeing anything from hgh then raving about whatever cycle they were running six months later because they were seeing so much more size. He had to break it to them they were just finally starting to see the gh shine.
Viking had some posts about utilizing peptides while off anabolics to maintain year round progress and after so many poor igf tests while on cycle I’ve just been pushed to keep the two separate.
Hell yea bro..550.. can't go wrong there...+1
Boom! Rockstar numbers right there man. Well done sans compounds.
Great stuff bro, do you plan on periodically adding a compound and gauging the results?
I definitely could. I’m headed into a prep right now so I’m pretty sure it’s gonna drop if I stay on. DHB and mast with provi, then orals starting in 5 weeks... I just don’t know if it would be worth it since I think I know what that will do.
Tough call bro. Keep us updated ++