+ 2 Lower dose test only to avoid acne.
Hi everyone,
I’m posting in here because I am 40 this year and want to run my 3rd test only cycle. Been out of training for 18 months or so and started back down the gym 6 weeks ago. The first ever time I did test e I had fairly moderate acne on my face and back I did run armosin but it was not pharma grade. The second time I did not run an ai at 500mg a week and the acne was terrible, all over my back and shoulders, worst of all was face! I do want to run test again but really can’t face acne. I have test Cyp and pharm grade armidex ready to go. If I was to run that at say 250 like a trt dose a week would the acne sides be less.
Any advice at all on this would be really gratefully received.
I did ask this question under another name in this site but lost my log in details, old account and email address I’m afraid.
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Hey I got acne even from a T booster... So you are not alone. But regarding the dosage; epithelial cells of sebaceous glands have androgen receptors and thus: "activating the androgen receptors in your cells increases oil production in your sebaceous glands, which leads to acne". Also I think I've read somewhere that excessive androgens in your body can actually cause these glands to hypertrophy.
So all of this would mean that more T would lead to more acne. Also, more T should lead to a greater hormonal imbalance overall, which could lead to more acne.
Here is a short excerpt from a study on acne:
"The mechanisms by which androgen/AR regulate sebocyte activity in acne vulgaris are still unclear, and several possibilities have been suggested. For example, AR might enhance the activities of fibroblast growth factor receptor 2 (FGFR2), which has been shown critical in sebaceous gland development and homeostasis [69]. Second, AR might enhance lipogenesis in sebocytes through increasing the expression of sterol regulatory element binding proteins (SREBPs) [70]. Third, androgens might cross talk with insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) activities in regulating acne development [6,70]. IGF-1 has been shown able to induce SREBP-1 expression and lipogenesis in sebocytes [102,108]. In addition, IGF-1 can enhance AR activity through multitude mechanisms that will be discussed later in more details [70,74]. And fourth, androgens/AR have been suggested able to enhance inflammatory responses of macrophages and neutrophils [19,61]. As a result, androgen/AR might enhance not only the sebaceous gland activity, but also the inflammation that promotes acne formation and progression. Therefore, suppressing AR function by treating with antiandrogens alone, or in combination with antibiotics (i.e., to reduce bacterial infection) might be a potential therapeutic approach to treat acnes more effectively (Fig. 2). However, since most of these studies were carried out in animal models or in vitro, as mentioned above, it is necessary to further verify these mechanisms in clinical studies."
link to the study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3763909/
Also regarding DHT and acne it has been hypothesized that T can cause more acne then DHT (in the above mentioned study)
Get a blood test, you might have either high or low E2, bad acne can happen from one or the other. Start there before you go pinning a single milligram so you can find out why you break out so bad to begin with.
When you went through puberty, did you have the same problem with acne? That might tell you how your body reacts to test.
Yeah I did was put on accutane several times! I’m not going there now to be honest I will take advice when given it.
Read this:
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/steroids-are-not-for-g...
Makwa always has good posts.
No doubt. He is a huge asset to the community!
Just read that and the comments... feel like a dick now!
No reason at all to feel that way.
You came here and asked questions and actally listened to what was being said and seem to be trying to follow said advice. Sounds pretty solid and un-dick like to me (no homo). +2
You haven’t trained in 18 months and your concerned with acne? You have no buisness running gear.
Sam dropping bombs
Boom
I'm gonna answer your questions as best I can. If you get acne on testosterone each time you do it, my guess is it will be just as bad on 250mg as 500mg. Do I know? Nope.
So would it be smart to Try? Nope
Do you want a face full of acne at 40? Nope that's sucks
So dont take testosterone, don't get acne and stay healthy and lift for the next 1 year naturally. 6 weeks you not consistent and your not in shape. Test yourself to workout and push yourself for next year. Then we will figure out a good anabolic and acne help.
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Thanks for the reply mate. Your right i just know how good it feels taking test, but the acne at 40 ain’t worth it!!
I have had plenty of skin problems. At my age my goal is to make my face look as young as possible. My wife scrubs my face, washed it and moisturizer everyday and it's now my project, no more acne, no more red shit all over. My goal is to have clear smooth face and project a young acne free healthy face and skin. Seriously try it and focus on that instead of test.
Ok it was just a question. Sorry if it’s caused offence and wasted everyone’s time.
Nope your good. +1 For handling a little crap without freaking lol. I'm here to help you anytime
basskiller89You're fine brother, it's how we all learned
Look into controlling the root cause of acne if you're going to play with anabolics
Cheers mate.
basskiller89If you control your E and DHT acne should be non existent
IMO DHT is more so the primary cause for acne
As Irish said, skip the gear brother
Grab the popcorn
That's funny as shit! Thanks for the laugh
basskiller89Got my family size bag of skinny pop at the ready lol
You weigh around 170lbs so stay away from steroids and concentrate on diet and working hard at the gym .
Great advice!!
And quit fucking lying
You lost these details since yesterday - https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/cycles-for-the-a...
Suggest you try and get your multiple accounts sorted (by getting in touch with a Mod) as this is ground upon here. That said the answers above are still valid so go from there.
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It’s an old account mate I’ve not been on here for ages the email account I had for that account I don’t have anymore.
Took a point for lying and getting caught
How am I lying I said in my original post I had already asked the question also that I had set up a new account?
"I have not been on here for ages"
Don't get me started
Edit : I saw your response below
So it wasn’t you that made the post I linked above yesterday? That would be extraordinary!
Damn you are a Jedi! How the he'll do you find That lol I'm impressed!!
Not really Jedi as I said in my post above.
I did ask this question under another name in this site but lost my log in details, old account and email address I’m afraid.
Sorry this was to dacky. He is a jedi.....you...not so much
That was me as I said in the second post. I could log in with the name Luke 300 yesterday because my laptop remembered my password. When I went to log back in later that evening it went through the “am I a robot test” and I couldn’t log in, then I could not recover my password because the email address for that account has expired. So I set up another account (the old one had no use) to use as my only account from now on. Then asked that question in the trt group. Taking the advice about Masteron not really being an option from the original post. Of this is a problem I will delete?
Get in touch with Greg or Pale and get your account sorted out (password reset and this account deleted I’d guess).
As to advice the take-away is that you need to do a bucket load more research before running further cycles. You really need to understand the basics - especially the importance of bloodwork and getting your AI dialled in - before you do anything.
All the info you need is on this site and here is a forum to get you started - https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/first-cycle-when...
How do I get hold of Greg or pale? Will close this and use the other. Thanks.
https://www.eroids.com/users/pale
https://www.eroids.com/users/greg
I will get that sorted and I wasn’t trying anything dodgy by setting up a new account it was a genuine error.