Mass cycle / off season - winter
Is it too soon? lol I'm bored ok, I know I'm still in prep 5.5 weeks to be exact. But why not be prepared right!!!
Anyways this might be a waste of a post who know what will happen after my national show. But as of right now, I wanted to lay out what I was think of running for my next winter bulk cycle. Hopefully gain some quality size while not putting in too much fat "what everyone wants"
So this will be the first time I run hgh!!!!!! I'Cycle laid out something like this
Updated 8-10-17
Test eth 750mg week 1-16 wks
Eq 375mg week 1-15 wks
Deca 200mg 1-10 wks
Adrol 50mg week 1-2 weeks / 4-5 weeks
Tren e 200mg 10-16wks (I know it's just some shit I have left over) don't give me shit lol
Hgh 3ui day 5on/2off 1-16 weeks and then probably buying more later to keep going until contest prep and then still continue to run.
Igf lr3 first 4 weeks one training days before workout. 10-20mcg take a 2 week break and repeat
Of course I'll have arimidex etc and a normal pct protcal after.
What y'all think?
I'm very excited to see what a little hgh can do.
Might throw in some igf here and there also
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Test 500mg for 12 then 750 12-16wk
Eq 500mg 1-15
Deca 200mg 1-12
Adrol on and off every 2 weeks at 50mg a day
Hgh 3ui 5/2 off
Igf on training days only 10mcg before and 10mcg after. Running 30 days then 2 weeks off ( palumbo)
Updated as of now. I love how deca helps me add size and helps joints so I'll throw in at the los dose.
It will change in sure as after my show I'll find out what I'm doing next as far as competing goes. So I'll know time frame etc since my coach said usually for a prep like I'm doing now "but didn't do" is you do a 24 week prep. First 12 weeks you do a bulk, " obviously not trying to get fat" and then a 12 week cut.
You gonna clean out for a bit after the show? Definitely consider doing so before jumping into anything. You'll make great gains just by the swing in foods alone AND all the gear thats still floating around from prep.
Yes of course. I'm gonna go off for a bit. I always make some pretty solid gains after a show. Depending on how the show goes and the plans for my next one etc will determine how long I come off 100% could be 4 weeks, could be 12. Probably 8 solid weeks though is my guess
Thinking maybe to throw in deca at a low dose also, something like 150-200 week.
One thing I want to do but can't really wrap my head around is switch up compounds ever 6-8 weeks. Keep reading more and more from big names that that's what you should do, but why on earth would you run say deca for 6-8 weeks when that's when it's fully finally kicking in, same thing with eq or any long ester for that matter. Goes against all the other , also incredible names saying you have to run a minimum or 12-16 weeks of eq etc.
Rich piano advocates it.
But i reckon hes talking shorts.
I wouldnt run long esters for that short.
Fkn oath you can get levels up real fast with very aggressive front loads but still.
Stick to the script of tried and tested.
Switching up shorts makes good sense for seasoned vets.
Piano is mostly pmma fillers anyway.
different ways to think about it, but there are benefits from both
for example, get it into your system at lower plasma levels to avoid sides (takes 5/6 weeks to hit steady state) then you get effects which amplify as the body adapts
frontloading reduces steady state time if you want to hit max plasma levels and run 6 weeks or so
you gotta consider esters too, longer are more anabolic so for max anabolism, you need to engage a longer cycle, tradeoffs are suppression and aromatisation etc
shorter esters give less bang for their buck, but will hit way faster and can still be frontloaded, albeit differently
Like diets, they all work, but as with any choice you just need to consider the trade offs
Nice way of wording it.
Not challenging your cycle whatsoever, I know almost fuck all about growth hormone, however, Can one actually expect results from it in 16 weeks? Is this long enough?
I must say I did have pretty damn good results with it for my last run which was for about 19 wks at 4iu. Had some IGF in there along the way also, but I think some pretty decent results can be achieved with these so called shorter runs. Main benefit I think I got from it was it helped to keep some of the fat gain off while eating in a cal surplus. Whether running a 12 weeker, 16 or 20 weeks the benefits for mobilizing fat are there I believe. Muscle benefits, nah, but fat control yes. Only time I run GH is while on cycle. I am not one of these people that believe you will not see results unless you run it for 6+ months.
Great to hear your experiences when we hear so often GH has to be run for 6month+ for any benefit what so ever. I remember when Nitti said he had a successful 8 week EQ cycle and it was met with disagreement. It's all relative
And that's why I'm running it for 16 weeks, kinda like you said, I'm only gonna run it while on cycle. And 16 weeks for a off-season bulk is pushing it imo. Definaitly not going to run hgh by itself as of all the research I've done says it's a night a day difference cause it's so synergetic with gear.
If you want a real night and day difference, you need to add some IGF-LR3 into the equation. That is what the game changer will be.
I've actually ran that by itself before and was gonna possibly try the igf des out instead, the lr3 is a long acting igf if I remember right.
I was actually trying to read up on the difference between
Igf 1 - lr3 and igf 2 - lr3
I wouldn't run it solo, it is synergistic with HGH and even more so with GH and AAS. The lr3 is the longer acting version. Just make sure you don't pick up any of that research chem crap.
And at just 4iu, that's good man
I agree with you, was gonna bring that up for results on 4 months dose should be higher for muscl etc.
RustyhookerI liked 750/750 pulse drol. But 100% make sure youre dropping blood. The eq drol combo is fast on rbc...at least for me.
One cycle i donated week 4 and week 10. No problems.
Suggest sust over enth though. Match them long esters so when you clip it...youre done.
I really wouldnt use any "finishing" agents. Orals or tren a. Jack the bp up and you're not really going to achieve much. Taper prop if ya choose to trt dose.
X2 on the eq/ drol and rbc and thick blood.
Id pulse the drol also.
Id go 3weeks on 3weeks off for this cycle.
Monitoring bp is a must.
Watch for head aches and tingling red feet in shower etc signs that bp needs attention asap.
RustyhookerMy monitor died. Found a wrist monitor that works great.
I'm not suggesting anything, just asking: have you tried pulsing anadrol 2 on 2 off instead of using it as a kicker?
Not I have not. Heard and thought about it....
Definitely not to early to be planning ahead mate! I have my next 4 runs all planned and already brought also haha.
Quickly remove the brand name on the HGH mate, against the rules to name the make in open forum.
Edited done thanks