posted Sun, 12/11/2016 - 15:35
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I need advice on blending gear
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I have a test prop 5ml and a npp 5ml same carrier oil same lab. I was going to filter both and mix them together in a 10ml vial. Is this going to cause a problem or will they both be fine together sitting because the vial won't be done for around 3wks.
They won't split?
It won't go and dose 200 mgs of npp and get no prop in a shot?
I've never taken left overs from the same lab and just filtered and mixed i just want to know if this is a stupid idea or something that is fine to do.
Thanks brothers
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If you were to blend them into one vial, you're always going to wonder how much of each compound you're drawing and pinning. I couldn't deal with the uncertainty myself. They SHOULD blend evenly from what you've said, but for the expense of another sterile vial is it worth the concern?
And any with black dots I wouldn't use regardless of how well they seemed once filtered.
bigmurphThey came in stealth sachets so they had to go into atleast 1 vial. Yeah I don't like not knowing how much im injecting of each compound.
There was 1 sachet out of 10 that was full of black dots. Once makwa reminded me of that I never used it to be honest I haven't binned it though but I have other gear to use so for now its just sitting there.
BC you're not adding in product, just mixing oil it will not crash. However its pointless.
If you were to mix them they will mix evenly if the carriers are the same.
bigmurphThe carriers are the same so it will just mix even.
It didn't crash at all its crystal clear.
Anonseparate for sure bro.
bigmurphAfter what makwa just reminded me about im binning it
Thanks brother
just use two vials. it would be the same anyways. you will use 2 vials in a 6 week period. i have used the sachets and once the vials are empty i just refill them until the stopper looks shot.
i wouldnt guess that they would crash, its still 100mg/ml. but you couldnt be certain that each shot was 50mg prop/50mg npp.
bigmurphThats my worry thanks brother
Just put in separate vials and draw what you need then.
bigmurphThat would be the way to go even fill barrels and use as needed. I had the 2 sachets and wanted to see if it would work.
I even had multiple 10ml vials. It was more of an experiment then anything. If it crashes i will just bin it these are the sachets where one had black dots all inside. They both pulled and filtered crystal clear. They were just laying around so I figured I should do something with them.
That one would have been tossed if it was me. That's a no-go for me. Even after filtering, I still wouldn't feel safe using it.
bigmurphIt was 1 out of 5 and yes it freaked me out. I tossed the prop and npp that I had pulled then. I had 2 sachets just sitting that I never binned.
I wanted to do this little blending experiment and I wanted to ask the community if what I was doing was stupid because I know nothing about brewing or even how they make blended gear.
Never needed to know. I know people that have ran this same batch of npp when I had posted the picture of the ruined vial 2 people actually contacted me in pm said that there sachets where great but were worried because of what I posted. Your opinion is just bin it. Im definitely thinking about it now that you said something.
I remember what came out of 1 of those sachets I think its a good idea to just toss it.
Better safe than sorry I definitely agree on that.
+1
If I had something with black specks in it no way I would use it. I wouldn't even bother filtering it and just toss it after letting the source know. I wouldn't toss out any that had the same batch # as long as they were clear, but I wouldn't be using the one with specks.
bigmurphAgreed
I will probably bin these also I don't even want to chance it.
RustyhookerWhy mix em? You can but wondering why not just leave them in their own vials?
bigmurphThere in stealth sachets
RustyhookerAhhh. Separate vials leaves no guessing.
No. You wont know how much of either your getting each time you draw.
bigmurphThis is a worry and the reason I don't even use blends from the highest quality labs. I prefer to know exactly what im drawing. Looks like im going to do a little experiment and see how it goes
You'd just have to heat them to get them to completely blend but just enough to make sure they stay together. I'd recommend backloading the two into a 10 ml syringe and filtering them both together while they're already warm. It will go through those filters much easier like that. Also remember that you will lose some of the oil in the filter and they're both short esters so they may crash when combined. Having worked with both and npp in particular being a real bitch that's where the risk comes in. Out of curiosity what's the reason you want to do this though. Seems like a lot of extra work for no reason. I wouldn't recommend it just because I don't find it necessary but if you really want to that's the way I'd do it.
bigmurphI appreciate the info thats one of the reasons I was a little worried I thought they would break or crash. The reason for the mix is 2 5 ml stealth sachets I have 4 empty sterile 10ml vials left i figured if I use one if it doesn't work I would just bin it. This is from a batch where the npp sachet before the one I still had closed was filled with tiny black dots. I didn't know what to expect but both were crystal clear. I did mix and warm in water just swirling the vial gently. I figured by the mourning I will see if it starts to crash then I will check again tomm night for any crystals
Thanks brother
No problem. Personally I'd have just filtered and kept separate outside of the satchets because it's just easier but it shouldn't be a problem. Remember that dosing may be slightly off and in a perfect world each mL would have 50 prop and 50 npp assuming both were originally 100 mg/mL.
RustyhookerChemistry.... why would you heat? Same oils etc...same brewer. There's no need to heat and destroy the chems. Warm if needed to thin but other than that... why?
You're right i should've been more clear on that. I definitely wouldn't actually heat it but would put the vials in a sandwich baggie, boil some water, take the pot off of the burner for a min or so and then put the baggie in the water for max 90 seconds. That should be more than enough time to thin out the gear and make it easier to work with. Now the reason for this is because we have no idea what BB and BA percentages were used in the brewing process which makes a big difference with the short esters especially npp because it can be such a bitch to work with like eq cyp depending on the concentrations.
However like you said same brewer, same carrier and I get that but there's still unknown variables. I know I can make 10g npp into 10 vials however if I wanted to make it say 150 mg/mL I need to use 22% BB instead of 20% or it'll crash and that's coming from y vendors who I'd like to think are good and have a 85-90% assay and depending on the source I'd assume that their raw products would be more pure. I'd like to assume that everything was the same, that both were dosed at 100mg/mL however you just don't know. The heat should also all the two oils to set together again once blended which will determine the crashing and etc.
But again I also advised OP against it because you never know what's going to happen. Odds are it probably won't be an issue and odds are I've found most sources use a BB% a little bit on the higher side to round it out especially at higher concentration which is why its usually so smooth. It just depends more on the hormones than anything else however heating the compounds the way i described would neither have the oils under heat long enough nor would it be hot enough to cause any damage. If it was test e or deca than probably because their melting point is so low but the short esters usually have a higher melting point so it would not harm the hormone.
Why not just draw seperately? Dont know about mixing, but dont see the sense in risking it.
bigmurphStealth sachets
Rgr, understand. If it were me, Id keep them seperate, but based more on personal preference than what may happen when mixed.
They should be miscible--the hormones are fully solubilized in the carrier oil and the carriers are the same. Just out of curiosity, why would you want to mix them? Why not just draw from each vial.
bigmurphStealth sachets
Gotcha, I see your reasoning now