Test Ena and Mast Ena Cycle Advise
Looking for some expert advice on the following cycle I was planning on starting:
Week 1-6: 50mg Win daily
75mg Var split into 3 doses daily
600mg Test Ena split into 2 inject weekly
500mg Mast Ena split into 2 inject weekly
Week 7-10 75mg Var split into 3 doses daily
600mg Test Ena split into 2 inject weekly
500mg Mast Ena split into 2 inject weekly
Week 11-15 50mg Win daily
75mg Var split into 3 doses daily
600mg Test Ena split into 2 inject weekly
500mg Mast Ena split into 2 inject weekly
Wait 2-3 weeks before beginning PCT. PCT as follows:
100mg Clomid for 10 days then 50mg Clomid for 10 days I like to do a little longer PCT do to my age and that my understanding is that as we get older it takes longer for the body to return to normal functioning.
I have been on gear for a number of years now but, always kept it very simple. 500mg of Test Cyp or Sust a week with 50-75mg of var daily. I would also include 25mg of proviron daily for estrogen control. I would usually do this cycle for 12 weeks then 8-10 weeks off before starting again. I've been doing this type of cycle for about 3 years and never had any issues.
The challenge is that as we age, keeping your body fat down becomes more difficult. I do not wish to get any larger as I am going to be 53 in a month, am a whopping 5'7' tall, weigh about 189lbs. with a 32 inch waist and about 13.5% body fat. Up until just a few years ago I was able to keep my body fat around 10% with not much difficulty. I eat very clean except for Saturdays. I cheat my ass off big time every Saturday. Hey, you gotta live and I am not looking to get on the stage anytime soon. On average, I take in about 200-250 grams of protein daily and about 300-400 grams of carbs. I do not calorie count and stay away from all sugars except after a workout. For good fats I have about 2-3 tablespoons of Peanut Butter and 2000mg of Coconut Oil daily. I split my meals into 5 or 6 daily. I also drink a minimum of 1 gallon of water a day.
The goal of my cycles going forward is to enhance lean solid muscle, not lose any of my current size, continue to improve on my quality of muscle, get my body fat back down to 10% and maintain good health. I workout 6 days a week and do cardio 3 days.
The reason I am looking to change my cycle is to introduce more cutting compounds. I will not use any stimulant gear. For health reasons, I will never use Tren, Clen etc. I do not include a specific Estrogen Blocker in this cycle because my understanding is that Masteron blocks estrogen. Perhaps I still should take Arimidex?
I am far from an expert. Any experienced advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Food and training can achieve your stated goals. Too many compounds. Orals to long. For me personally I like my e2 on the high side verified with blood work of course to build muscle. ( my preference) so I'm ok with mast/mest for ai as long as you have adex or aroma on hand. If you want to add some size. Simple test proviron 12 weeks. Proper diet.
So you really think you need to run a cycle to do this??? Wow
I appreciate your feed back. Can you please be more specific. I don't want to look to far into your thoughts but, it seems like your opinion is that at least for now I should not be considering doing any gear?
From what I am able to gather here is that you want to be nice and fit and trim. You are not looking to put on much more mass and want to drop a little bodyfat and tone up what you have. Doesn't sound like you need to run a cycle to do that.
You don’t want to get so called “huge” and you want to maintain your current mass and drop about 3.5% BF. Running a cycle is not healthy contrary to what you think. In fact your quality of life may go down after running a cycle. You are at that tipping point where it gets harder and harder to recover from a cycle and may end up on TRT and believe me trt gives you nowhere the sense of well-being that running on your natural test does. A cycle may be nice for a 12 week ride, but then what. Kind of a weak goal to be risking your HPTA for if all you essentially want to do is tighten and tone up. Oh and by the way, steroids won't do jack without the proper diet and training in place in the first place.
Now, if you want to talk about getting into mid single digit BF or putting on another 15-20 lbs of lean mass then lets talk about how tying a cycle in with some proper nutrition and training can get you there. This is where a cycle would be warranted if you are willing to take the risks and not warranted or needed to essentially tone up and drop a little BF when that is easy and safely done without cycling,
We bash on all these kids coming on here looking to run some 5 compound stack thinking it will turn them into Mr. O, it is just as foolish to run a cycle to so called “maintain” what you have.
blessed87Proviron also does jack shit for estrogen control no one else pointed this out.. You need adex or aromasin on hand i wouldnt be running all the orals either..
adding provi to a cycle is like adding jet fuel to your car........
i looked at this post this morning and didnt bother answering.... but i see you getting plenty of thumbs ups.
i personally disagree with your statement that proviron is useless ..... i have had superb results running mest/mast combos, and i also know of guys that have actually crashed E2 by running too much provi standalone.
dont want a debate........ im just sayin
When I ran proviron as an AI for the first time, I had done all the research and was confident that 50mg a day would keep e2 down on TRT doses or potentially crash it. That was the first time I had a gyno flare. Proviron made me feel great but I don't have the desire to make it work for me.
good point, I guess I was too distracted by the train wreck to notice... +1
your stats, that age, that many drugs and that many orals? do you hate you body or are you not able to see how bad of idea this is from every angle?
You really want advice? Don't run this cycle
RustyhookerNot liking your layout bro. Pop up a picture and will look more into helping.
Try? Current bloods? Not helping without seeing bloods. Especially considering age and your idea with orals
I have added current photos to my profile.
I obviously had some reservations about, what now seems to be, a very popular suggested cycle, LOL. Hence why I joined this site looking for advise prior to doing anything. As I stated in my original post, I am far from an expert. Any guidance related to what peoples expert suggestions would be for a more appropriate and effective cycle would be greatly appreciated.
As for my comment related to Masteron acting as an anti-estrogen, I actually read this multiple times on a number of the top 10 gear sources on this site. Many of them under the description state that Masteron acts as an estrogen blocker. To quote one site, "Masteron E is also noted as being an effective estrogen blocker" (I-fit4life). Also, to quote Thinksteroids.com, "So there you have it. A totally new way to look at an old friend- Masteron- it’s useful as an anti-estrogen as well as an anabolic". There are countless other sites that claim the same thing. Perhaps they are all mistaken, I really don't know but, it really sucks if so many sources are giving people false information.
I am not looking to get beat up and cut on. I greatly appreciate everyone who has positive input. All the negative and, I'm a jackass comments is just a waste of everyone's time. I am a very sensitive Brooklyn kid who worked in Wall Street Banking for 30 years. I can't handle such criticism, it is very hurtful. I'm obviously just F'n with you all. Keep the ball busting coming. I really don't care as long as you are kind enough to help me put together the ultimate cycle for my age and goals.
Thanks!!!
RustyhookerYou're solid for 53 so now I'd look at goals. Cycle is simple but foods are the chore. It's winter so are you thinking about 8 to 10 pounds added? Then spring cut for beach look? There's no real clean bulk or bulk cut. Gotta pick a route.
Cleaning up your current build is all foods. Add couple pounds is again food and gym. So consider the ultimate goal first.
Makwa, Viking, MedEx and catalyst are the good guys in foods and gym as well. I'd try to modify food to goals.
Simple cycle of adding 10+ pounds is easy at 500-600 test e/cyp and provi at 50. Mast for me helps with estro BUT many others it does not. Only bloods would tell you the truth. So you dont wake up feeling like your titties got twisted. You must run bloods. Crashed estro...wont grow. Estro screaming high and the emotional roller coaster.
you are in good shape for your age, I'll give ya that.
have you have baseline blood work done to see where your levels are at naturally now? your rotation of running cycles if very off and only giving yourself short periods of being off Cycle is no good. tome.off should be the amount of time the cycle AND pct was, MINIMUM.
this cycle is way too overboard, this amount of orals will do some damage to your body.
check this out to see where you are going wrong
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/cycles-the-safe-way
Rustyhooker+2
Thanks for the feedback and the compliment. I greatly appreciate it.
I will follow your advise of taking another 4-6 weeks off so that it is as long as my cycle. My natural T levels are slightly over 400 last I was tested about 8-9 months ago. I was off any gear for at least 15+ weeks at time of the blood work. My doctor did not feel that was low enough to start me on T Therapy.
15 weeks of orals (edit I forgot to mention two orals for the first 6 weeks). Say bye bye to your liver and lipids. Oh and you can't rely on mast to keep your estro down. Works for some but blood work is the only way to tell. You need to have an AI on hand of blood work shows it's needed. PCT is not right and needs work. Keeping lean is all about diet and cardio. Adding all these compounds is going to do nothing to help with this if this is off. Goal of trying to gain lean muscle abs reduce body fat at the same time is doomed to failure. You need a complete rethink and serious simplification or you risk fucking yourself up pretty bad with this one.
This looks like a good scenario for one of Gymjunkie's "what do you see wrong with this cycle" post. I am going to wait before I post my answer.
Testrogen_PropC...For starters...
1- self proclaimed "longer than normal" PCT is complete garbage for at least 2 huge reasons.
2- thinks Masteron is an A.I.
3- wants to run Anavar for 15 weeks. (Death wish maybe?)
Do i win a prize? I like prizes. Lol