-1 3 Questions about coming off this cycle and more - advanced users HELP needed
Hello All,
I am not sure what category this question would fall under, but figured it's more of an AAS related topic. So I have been running Tropin for 12 weeks now at 4 IUs a day M-F with weekends off. I am stocked up and plan to run for 1 year. Have sides - tiredness during day, tingling hands, deep sleep/vivid dreams, etc. Money is no object, so please no comments about GH being a waste of $ for my age (28 years old).
Anyways, I also have been on Test E 500-600 mgs, Masteron 300 mgs, and Tren Ace 300 mgs per week. I ran a 16 week cycle a month before starting the tropin. I added the mast in after 4 weeks and ran it for for the last 12 weeks, and added Tren in 10 weeks in and ran it for the last 6 weeks. I also started HCG 8 weeks into the cycle at 500 IUs E3D and ran it for the last 8 weeks of my cycles. I took my last shot of test and HCG on Sunday. I am done with the HCG and I plan to jump on my Clomid and Nolva I have stored at 100/100/50/50 for clomid and 40/40/20/20 for nolva. (4 weeks). All standard stuff thus far.....
So here are my 3 questions:
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Will being on Tropin help me feel any better coming off cycle? I'm no amateur and I know they're completely unrelated, but just wanted to hear from experienced GH users (This is my first time running GH - been almost 3 months on - I've been running AAS cycles for the past 3 or 4 years).
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Will running Nolva be bad for my IGF-1 levels since it lowers them and tropin raises them? Would you guys recommend a lower nolva dose or have me do anything different for PCT?
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Will adding a SARM such as MK-677 at 30 mgs a day for about 6 weeks (the 2 weeks before I start my 4 weeks of PCT - nolvadex and clomid and during the 4 weeks of my PCT) help with coming off cycle and/or increase the benefits from the Jintropin? I honestly don't know much about SARMs and I am leaning towards MK677 by itself BC of the GH related effects and I heard some bad stuff about GW501516. Opinions on SARMs - especially during PCT?
Check my profile for my stats.
Basics are:
I'm 5'11, 245 lbs
About 16-18%bBF
51' chest
18.5' arms
Been lifting for 14 years since I was 14 years old.
Started my first AAS at age 25 when I felt I was at my genetic limit (or close to it) at the time -
My Dad was a powerlifter and his brother, my uncle, was a bodybuilder. Uncle did AAS. Dad never did. I'm 30 lbs heavier than my dad now and my uncle stopped lifting Bc of an injury. At the time (before AAS) I was bigger than either one of them had ever been.
This is my first time running GH.
Last, I have never touched a SARM and know little about them. I try to stay away from all orals as much as possible in general.
ANY feedback from experienced users would be much appreciated.
Thank Again,
Jason
Mod Edit..... For future reference do not mention brands nor sources nowhere on this board unless you are on that sources page
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Oh your poor hpta lol I posted a forum about what I did to myself from nit running proper pct and stretching cycles way past where they should be. I'm about 2 years younger than you and I'm barely above where I should be natural test level wise... wise up brother before it's to late. 28 is still young
I'll do a 6 week PCT. that's all I learned.
RustyhookerReal life speaks loud sir.
It will sink in when he starts to notice little drops in energy and motivation and soft erections that won't stay erect. I gotta hype myself up for an hour and 2 scoops of preworkout to drag my ass in the gym to do some weak shit like arms. It's no joke I feel at least 50. When I'm actually 50 I can't imagine.
RustyhookerDefinitely does not sound fun. I'm sure my try will happen some day soon .
No disrespect to you're age sir. I'm speaking more of a average person.
RustyhookerERASE the brand names!!! Read the rules!!
RustyhookerYour balls are fried. 10 weeks of tren, plan on losing all your gains and possibly try for life!!!
4 week standard is CRAP when trens online. Where's Faber? How's your bloods? 6 weeks pct IF you recover so all
If you don't have pharma......funeral for your nuts. Rip lil buddies.
I removed the one brand name. My apologies. I stated above that I "Added Tren in 10 weeks in and ran it for the last 6 weeks". Added it at week 10, ran it until week 16 - for 6 weeks. I didn't run it for 10 weeks. And I have recovered fine with this exact same cycle three times doing 4-6 weeks of PCT, so I don't think my nuts are gonna be "done for life". As for gyno, I have NONE and have never had any in my life. I ran 10 mgs Aromasin ED also while on Tren (forgot to add that in). And Caber wasn't necessary. Prolactin has never been an issue w me. The AI and the anti E properties of Masteron were enough to combat estrogen from test aromatizarion. I was on a fairly (relatively) low dose of Tren too.
So instead of flipping out on me, how about some help? Blood work is submitted and waiting on results. What do you think I need to add to this PCT? That's why I ask questions on here. For help. Not to be bashed on and told I'm f***ed for life BC I ran Tren for 6 weeks.
RustyhookerYou still got brand names used below. Maybe your layout needs help in written form so 10 means....week 10.
1-17 test
10-16 Tren a
8-16 oral
AND YOU STILL GOT BRAND NAMES THROUGHOUT TOP OF PAGE AND REPLIED BELOW.
I started at 4iu pharma after reading "it's a low dose" so I thought I'd be fine - dose was 2x2iu. After 3 days the tingles started after waking up, sleep is out of this world deep but after 15 days I couldn't close my hands in the morning because the CPT was so bad. I dropped to 1iu for two weeks waiting for the CPT to subside then increased 1iu to get back to my 4iu. I'm now on 5-6iu a day in two doses. The first is on waking up and second is around 11am or 12. I find anything after 4 in the afternoon I get a bit tingly in the morning.
I second the advice of dropping back and possibly building back up. I never had the GH fatigue so can't comment on that but it's not worth the risk of permanent nerve damage in your hands to push with the CPT.
When I finish my cycle around the beginning of December I'll drop the GH to 2iu as an anti ageing remedy.
Richard.SimmonsThis all comes with running GH. Believe it or not it's a good thing that's telling me you have good gh. Running 4 iu's a day I'm guessing your splitting them up mourning and evening ?? If it were me if your feeling all them effects I would bak it off to 2 iu's a day 5 days a week. Taking MK-677 increases in plasma levels of several hormones including GH and insulin IGF-1however without affecting cortisol levels. So your pushing your IGF levels back up with different Aminos ? I would say back off on the GH and just take 2 iu's in the mourning for a few weeks and see how you feel ? Pull bloods and see where your levels are at.
Thanks brother. It's Scooby Doo jizz so yes it's legit as the serial numbers checkout on the website. I have been taking 4 IUs in 1 blast in the morning first thing. About an hour before breakfast. You think I should back off to 2 IUs? If not, what about 2 IUs in the AM and 2 in the PM? I was told never to take GH before bed BC that suppressed natural production even more, but I guess it's being suppressed regardless. BTW I did run bloods. Took 10 IU shot 3 hours before my blood work was done, and GH serum levels came back at 26.2 ngs/mL. So it's definitely legit. As far as the SARM MK677 goes, are you saying to leave it alone and just take aminos to raise my IGF-1 levels from the decrease that Nolva causes? Thanks a lot Richard Simmons (lmao). I really appreciate the feedback...
AnonStop mentioning brands and don't mention sources
I apologize, but I never mentioned a single source anywhere in my post. Sorry about the brand name on the GH. I honestly did not know whatever-tropin is a "brand" name.
But, I really don't get why that matters BC If we really want to get technical about "brand" names, than when people mention AIs like Aromasin or arimidex shouldn't they say Exemestane and anastrozole? Or SERMs like Nolvadex and Clomid. Shouldn't they say Tamoxifen citrate and clomiphene citrate? Even injectable compounds like Masteron, Equipoise or Deca Durabolin - shouldn't we refer to them as Drostanolone, Boldenone Undecylenate, and nandrolone? Even orals - anavar, anadrol or winstrol. Wouldn't oxandrolone, oxymethalone, and stanozolol be non brand name compounds? I'm honestly not trying to be a smart ass, it's just that those names get dropped all the time and they're all brand names.
Actually you appear to be trying to be a smart arse, just not a very "smart" one. You've missed the point. Quite clearly your examples are universally used by just about every single pharmaceutical or UGL manufacturer which reveals nothing about who made them. Whereas "smartarseotropin", (for example), is specific isn't it? Deca durabolin, (for a different example), could be made by anyone.
Hopefully that's cleared that up for you. Next time you could just read and adhere to the rules rather than questioning them perhaps?