posted Fri, 02/27/2015 - 20:16
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+ 21 from TRT to natty again?
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I would like to hear from guys that successfully brought themselves back from TRT or continuous years of cycling to natty again.
Anybody on here done it? and what was your PCT protocol?
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spike03zAny updates
I came off the gear at age 42 after 7 years with no PCT. It took 9 months for my natural test to come back on. Once my natural test came back my strength increased a lot and I felt a lot better. During the first 9 months my muscles were very soft, I had lost 30% of my strength I felt tired, lazy and weak Libido was dead until 9 months.
Why?
That's great news srx5000 a really inspirational post. You had the patience and things came through
hcg, it is cheap and easy too.
DivineHYeah bro ur right!:)
for the past 12 months I've been pinning HCG 500iu eod with 50mg clomid daily.
Sperm count is back over 30million/ml and test is back within normal range, albeit the bottom
half of normal but at least its back!
how long were you on?
Thanks for giving me hope! FR sent
I was on Test cyp for 1.2 years. I came off seeing how my body would adjust. I had hcg and nolva and clomid for pct. I was super tired for 3-4 weeks and threw myself into work I noticed no sex drive during that time. I have a rather physical job and I threw myself into work and withing 1.5 mos of my last pin I was ok and back at it.
i did try and it was a disaster! Im 38, was on and off from i was 22, last few years most trt. After 8 months off i was miserable, depressed, weak, lost 20lbs of muscle, zero sex drive and test level at 156ngl. Back on now at 100mg a week and will never go back. Already gained most weight back and feeling good and happy again.
I pinned 200mg test this morning, im done not having a sex drive, everything else is good but the sex drive part, yeah I miss that....
StevebI was hoping you would not, and see if you could fix everything without going back to injecting test.
me too but my sex drive was getting worse, I went several weeks without sex and then when we did try I couldnt feel shit. I can tell my levels were pretty damn low.
Ironically a couple days after that shot(this morning) I was able to get off and it actually had a little bit of feeling to it. I know many say test wont hit for weeks but i can assure you small amounts of it start hitting quickly. Kinda confirms how low my test was if that shot has already started to affect me. I feel like im starting to get a boost in mental as well but could be placebo on that.
I think your bodies like a sponge when your low T for a while,after 4 years plus of low T I tried some dianabol (its all I had available) and even on a low dose of 10mg a day it started working for me,not placebo I'm positive, my body was crying out for something. I have found an improvement off everthing now as I've dropped my bodyfat dramatically and the regular exercise has seemed to perk things up energy and sex wise, probably still a bit low though. Still its better to supplement if you have to than the hell of low energy and sex drive.
So I figure you are due for an update. How is it going?
I agree. This has been an I terestin thread to follow.
Im good, been more than 3 months since my last TRT shot, probably two months since I took any PCT meds. I feel fine, sex drive is still low but I can get off about every 3rd day and on a few occasions its been every other day. The sex drive part is not so great, id like to go back on just for that TBH but the wife is trying to get prego so ill give it till summerish before I go back on if I do. No other side effects.....
StevebSex drive is easy to fix with peptides and other natural supplements. Are you going to get your testosterone levels checked? I still remember when you used MENT. I wonder if that did the most damage.
I ran tren for a year, or close to it. My levels dropped after a tren/deca cycle years ago and wasnt coming back. I might be getting my levels checked, not that i care but my wife really wants to get pregnant so she is sorta pushing the envelope...
StevebWhat are you taking to increase the odds of having a baby?
right now nothing, got some suggestions?
I'm on the same boat. I just got off 6 weeks ago after years of staying on. Trying to have a kid too. It's sucked. Urologist has me on clomid 50mg ed and hcg 1500iu/week. Still having issues with libido. I'm on natural test supps as of recent. My insurance won't cover viagra or cialis. Honestly I've been miserable. I just want to hurry up and get the wife pregnant.
Steveb25iu/ed of hmg and 250iu/ed of hcg and 25mg/ed of clomid and you should be fertile.
Androtex will stimulate your natural production of testosterone and increase sex drive.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00GVLBLQY/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1453618459&s...
I would try a shot of GNRH, worst case scenario is it will do nothing and it's really cheap. But if your sex drive is still low or not high enough try a peptide called PT-141, it's actually for men and women. But it works for men faster.
The hardest part is getting good HMG. If you do find some let me know.
I got all that except the PT-141, still have Hmg from the first time I got, been sitting in the fridge the whole time. ill shoot you a PM where i got it.
Check into dsip. humpnpump told me it reved up his sex drive quite a bit. Almost like going through puberty all over. He ran it post pct I think he did a write up I'll post the link here when I find it
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/dsip-delta-s...
I´m in my 5 ptc after a Tren/deca cyle, If I fully recover,, I´m now on 308ng/dl, I will never use tren or deca again, testosterone and primo and go. If this ptc don´t work maybe I have to go to the doctor for TRT because it´s dificult to keep gains.
Keep up the faith bro there are other guys on here who came through
About physique wise, are you withering away, or holding your own?
size hasnt changed, im 220 right now, couple times ive been down to 216 but always back to 220, I also havent been in the gym for about a year now and with my work im eating out daily on crazy schedules with most days only getting 2-3 meals. So all in all im pretty happy. Honestly if I went back on cycle and dialed in diet and gym id bet I could see 235 in 3 months....I went off cycle some time back cause i couldnt afford my food, now I got the money for food but dont have the time...
Right on. I often ponder what would happen if I just stayed out of the gym for a couple months and let myself heal. I don't think my addiction to going there would be so easy to break anyway but I would bet a long hiatus would do wonders.
@Darth Pale, rest (from the gym) can be a great thing, but you're mentally addicted as much as you are physically. You'll have to figure out something for your brain to "get a healthy fix" if you're gonna deprive it of the endorphins from lifting.
Summer time is easier for me since I'm a summer kind of guy. Gardening, hiking, back packing, and general tom foolery in good weather is a great drug for me. Since I don't ski, snow board, etc, the winter time is when I move into the dumbbell area of my local gym and don't leave until the end of March.
@Darth, if you do indeed take a month off, or even a few weeks, keep us posted, cuz I'm every bit as curious about the mental effects of "time off" as much as physical.
Short of serious injury bro it just isn't going to happen. I have over the last year shifted from 6 days in the gym per week to 4 tho and that has actually made a noticeable difference.
I've been on for about 10 years straight. Basically doing hrt... I will add gear here and there but mostly test all year round. Small amounts pinning once a week. In the summer I will kick it up a notch
I was on straight for about 5 years, I came off everything, even TRT. havent pinned in a couple months now, I feel fine, low libido but my wife is still able to drain em a couple times a week so I aint complaining! SOOO nice to be free of the shots...
Its a funny world, I'm desparate to start the shots and get some drive,strength and energy back from the hell of low Test, but I wish you the best of luck coming off if your able to.
That is great news brother. Are you going to get bloods or is it better not knowing? I almost think it is. lol
I might at some point but right now I just dont have time, if she aint preggo in the next few months then I might.
I feel fine again, not much sex drive but ive still been able to get off. actually only doing a mild Hcg dosing this time, clomid and nolva and I havent even been steady with that.
AnonSo how do you feel now bro... Another week has passed.. I been watching this as I am curious to see how you do... I have tried it with a standard pct with hcg added in and after clearing everything out I just felt low and lethargic all the time.... Like you I could still go bang... But there was not much desire there... Know what I mean
I feel fine, been off everything but 100mg clomid a day for several weeks now. I just dont have much of a sex drive.
I certainly would like to go back on for the sex drive as that is key factor in the way ive been for all my life and having this low sex drive is uncomfortable. But ill hang on for a while and see what happens.
Are you using the HMG again this time as well?
im two weeks since last TRT shot, starting Hcg tonight, gonna try to come all the way off again.
I have had numerous clients come back from TRT to sub-marginal T-Levels. With the proper administration of HCG, Clomid and Novla you can get those Leydig's pumping again but it is challenging and in most cases my patients need at least 6 weeks of HCG. Whether they are able to maintain T Levels after the administration of HCG and Clomid is the big question.. I would say 50% can and 50% can't.. It all depends on history and length of ASS use. If it's been a few cycles a year for 8 + years then it is definitely possible.. However TRT for longer than 3+ years without cessation definitely leans you further into the category which will require lifetime TRT.
Dr.
Today was the first day I was faced with heat and work, it didnt go so well. I can tell my levels are low and that heat magnifies my fatigue. Gonna start PCT again, if I cant regain some more natural test I will likely go back on TRT.
you can start pulsing nolva and clomid mate, 2 days on 1 day off, did you ever end up looking into daa? by the way i was (testpro). good luck.
Hang in there brother. It is still really early in your journey. You knew there was going to be some rough waters, at least get some bloods so you know what is going on , if you can.
was in an attic today for about 5 hours, then another 4 on the roof, felt like dogshit after about 3. My energy levels go from good to bad in a hot second. I cant handle it. Pinned today.
Well, you gave it hell brother. Welcome back to the living.