Advice on TT level
Hi all,
I posted a couple weeks back explaining that I did a 5 week RPN havoc (epistane) cycle 30/30/40/40/40 and had a total test blood test as soon as I come off when I started my PCT of Nolva 20/20/20/20 (pharma grade). My tests were extremely low (0.6 nmol which is around 17-18ng/dl) which is ridiculous!
Anyway, I didn't worry too much as I thought well I have nolva lets see what happens so 12 days into my PCT I took another total test and it came out at 0.4 nmol which means its dropped for some bizarre reason!
Anyway I was worried so I sourced Clomid (again pharma grade) and started taking 50mg per day and I have been doing that for past 7 days along side my Nolva and I will continue doing that for next couple of weeks.
Does anyone know if shutdown shut be that bad when you finish a cycle? and if it's possible to recover from that? I hope I do recover since I started clomid. I am struggling to find any info online. Usually most people that are shutdown usually have around 4-5 times my total test, it seems which does concern me somewhat...
I don't feel too bad either tbh, training 4 times a week currently and concentrating on heavy low reps. My sex drive has been crap but the past few days I think there is a slight improvement, plus I don't have ED. I'm not feeling lethargic. I have lost a few pound off my total gain on epi though but I guess thats expected.
Any input as always is appreciated!
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Thanks for your input mate. I am running a proper pct as explained above. I jumped onto clomid when I got my bloods back so I'm on for another 2 weeks or so, so I am hoping the levels have started to recover since clomid.I have done my research, this is my 3rd cycle. But there's not much info in terms of expected shutdown levels, ie numbers and stats rather than people saying "heavily supressed". Everyone is different to how to how they react but I need examples of extremely low numbers following cycles going into PCT which seems to be hard to find. Test base won't stop you from being shutdown.Test will only help with sides whilst on an oral. HCG however towards end of cycle will stop shutdown but I didn't go down that route. I've recovered from last two cycles fine but difference is I didn't have bloods done when I started pct so I could have been this shutdown then aswell.
Try replying to my post rather than typing a new one. That way I'll know you have. Mate, take aas and you will get shut down. Here were my TT and LH numbers 2 weeks into a Pharma Triptorellin PCT (which didn't work by the way):
Total Test 2.45 nmol/L (range 8.64 - 29) - my baseline is 19
LH. 0.8 mlU/ml (range 1.7 - 8.6)
Totally different cycle to a epistane only cycle but you can see I'm shut down. (EDIT: The only reason why my test wasn't lower is that is had been almost 5 weeks since my last pin so my test was starting to recover very slowly as one would expect it to. Still very low though) Now if you click on my profile and my pics you will see I have labs 6 weeks following the 6 weeks Clomid/Nolva PCT I didn't when the Trip wasn't working. Full recovery for me. Not sure what this tells YOU because this is specific to ME. See what I mean. Examples of others numbers are meaningless to you. Other guys run a single cycle, good PCT and never recover.
Thanks Dacky. That's exactly the kind of info I was looking for! Just an example of ranges that's all! I know we're different but I was trying to learn more about low levels and how they can range etc. I have good knowledge but you can never stop learning. I won't be doing another PH cycle anyway. I'm done with them. Once I've recovered fully maybe next year I'll look to a test only. Let's hope my clomid is doing its job at the moment lol! To be fair I think it is as I'm not that low on energy, I'm training, good appetite, sex drive is a bit crap but feel it's somewhat improving and I don't have ED. I'll have bloodwork 4 weeks post pct anyway and see where I'm at, fingers crossed.
No worries mate. As long as you're learning I'm happy to help. Come back and play your bloods please so we know how you've gone.
Yes I definitely will! Hopefully they'll be decent. Thanks!
Well Iron's got you below. I'm not going to get into the reasons why running an oral only compounds are not a good idea here, nevermind the garbage that is epistane and other designer steroids/pro hormones. But what did you think would happen when you took an exogenous steroid. My friend doing that will shut down your natural testosterone production. No two cense about it. Now be calm and run a proper PCT. In this case Clomid (50/50/50/50) and Nolva (20/20/20/20) should be fine and you should recover fine. Wait 4 weeks and run a full hormone blood panel. Don't run anymore cycles until you've done some proper research. Stick around here and use the magnifying glass up top. Everything you need is on this site. Then when you're ready and have question post it up and the guys here will be happy to help. Good luck.
Thanks for your response. I think I'll recover OK but I think it was just the such low levels that alarmed me.
Dude, your test levels are gonna be shot when take something like epstaine and don't use a test base, the epi shuts down your test production and you didn't replace it, so ofcourse the day you stop taking it your test levels are gonna be non existent. Then you did blood work 12 days into pct, again mistake unless you want to check if your LH lsvels have risen, but your test levels are still gonna be extremely low. Plus nolva is a terrible choice to use as your only pct drug, it does a shif job stimulating LH compared to Clomid, if you were only Gonna use one drug it would be Clomid. Anyways the correct time to do bloodwork and check your test levels is 4 weeks after you complete pcf. That way you get a accurate number that isn't artificially inflated due to the pct drugs stimulating test production instead of your body doing it naturally. You could do bloodwork at the end of pct to see where you're at, but that number is most likely gonna change once the drugs clear your system and your body is naturally producing test again. All you can do now is wait. It's to early to tell how bad things are, sometimes it takes months for test levels to return to a good level.