posted Tue, 05/03/2016 - 23:40
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Is the anything that can be done
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Hello
I was just wondering is the anything that can be done to get rid of any fillers in a steroid
Like say for example 5mls out of the 10mls in a vial is actual steroids lets say sustanon 250
So 5mls/1250mg is in the actual vial not 10mls/2500mg the remainder is just a filler to make a bigger profit
So 1250mg divided by 10mls equals125mg per ml not 250 per ml
Is the any way to get rid of the fillers while keeping the real potent full strength anabolics
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good question for theory. bad for practice
Fillers? Bro, most oil based steroids for IM injection are some combination of (4) ingredients. The steroid "powder" manufactured by a biotech company, benzyl alcohol, benzyl benzoate, and carrier oil. The finished product is a solution, not a suspension. You should know the difference between suspensions and solutions from high school chemistry. The BA sterilizes the product, the BB is a solvent that helps dissolve the powder into solution, the carrier oil is also a solvent as most steroid powders are fat soluble and provides comfort and helps disperse the product upon injection into muscle tissue.
If you want high concentration gear, buy it. It's out there. But, honestly bro, your steroid vial doesn't have any "fillers." LOL Also, high concentration gear may require other chemicals to hold the steroid in solution. Chemicals like guaiacol which can create a host of problems you can research. But again,
guaiacol is not a "filler." Neither is ethyl oleate when that is used.
Can you educate me a bit on BB? Please
Sometimes the carrier oil is insufficient to dissolve the powder. BB is used as a stronger solvent to get the steroid into solution and also mixes with the oil. Not all steroid preparations require BB but many do.
Your dialog is difficult to follow, but I think at the heart of it, you have a real question. But I can't figure out how it is relevant...
Even if you became comfortable extracting the oil and reworking the solution, why would you want to? I don't think the oil is a problem unless you are pinning massive amounts. And presuming the oil is sterile to begin with, why mess around with it and run the risk of creating a contaminated product? Aside from that, this is an awful lot of energy to put into something that amounts to an experiment that seemingly has no benefit, and no way to create accuracy.
As others have said, find a source you are comfortable with, and trust the product. If you question the potency, then you need a new source.
I buy gear just for the fillers, it's how you get the full look without drol.
Then i can give you some of mine after i take some of mine out
Lol Na just kidding i dont think most of you are understanding what im saying but i believe some are
TronI ....uuhhhh.....ummm...I ...don't know...Why make it so complicated?
Lol tron
RustyhookerSounds like high school trig has you up at nights. It sounds like you're in over your head
Beautiful avater bro
What a physique franco had
I believe back in there days there gear was on another level man
To just answer this question and get it out of the way, yes you can by freezing it. This causes the hormone to crystallize, then you pull out whatever oil you want to be rid of and resolvate the crystals in the remaining oil. This would yield a higher concentration product with all sorts of problems like horrible pip, provided you could even get it to suspend.
Say like the guy that made the gear knowingly has put enough hormone to dose it at say 125mg/ml but is labeling it at 250mg/ml
I dont think theres a way to acuratly know what its dosed at without lab test but what im trying find out is if i can get rid of that extra oil so it concentrated back to the dose on the label
So im not trying to get rid of all the oil or leaving less than normal oil
Just the oil thats causing it to be under dosed
How would i go about freezing it
I can't believe we're still having this conversation.
So fella I do understand what you're saying but agin I can't figure out how this has any practical use. You would need to know how much hormone per ml was actually in the vial to be able to remove the correct amount of oil to get it to the right concentration. So you would need to lab test it and if you're doing that why not just buy the best lab and be done with all these question and get on with the job at hand which is eating, training, sleeping and supplementing.
its just on that rare occasion we might get underdosed gear weve got some thing to do
I did mention we cant know for sure about the actual dose without doing a lab test
If only we can have something to indicate how much hormone has been put in
For example something like
how much crystalization we see
Or how long it takes to crystallize at a certain temperature
Again i know we cant be accurate accurate
But to me its still better than shooting unnecessary oil
Lol.
Ok here we go and I hope this settles it - different hormones and esters will have different weights in their pure/raw forms. And you would need to know the weight of the vial, crimp and rubber stopper for that particular lab/brand. As I said not practical. Much better to simply have the vial mass spec tested. Guys are doing this all the time at low cost and then there is a public service like https://anaboliclab.com/. You are making this far too complicated. At the end of the day injecting some extra oil is not an issue. In fact in some cases it is desirable such as when you have high dose gear with painful pip. The standard practise would be to dilute this with guess what.....STERILE OIL!
By the way all of this you could have found out and hopefully figured out with some research of your own.
Just trying to find ways to help the public guys thats all
Thanks for that website.its awsoume
Does it have results for stealth juice
Don't know but you can look can't you?
So if it's 125mg/mL and you want 250mg/mL, you would need to remove half the oil remaining. This would be 5mL out of a full normal 10mL bottle.
As for freezing it... You literally just freeze it and you'll see the hormone becoming crystallized. Look up pictures of "crashed gear" and you'll see what I mean
Hi thankyou for your reply
You answered my question
Yea ive experienced the gear crashing before but wasnt exactly sure what caused it
Would putting the vial in a bowl full of ice and water be enough for it to crystallize and leaving it in there for a while
So if it dosnt crystalyze does that mean theres not much hormone in there or its not cold enough
Becauss ive had it in that ice bowl for about 2 hours and it hasnt crystalyzed
I read this thread and Adam it's obvious that you are pretty clueless about all of this. It really makes me question your age. I'm guessing pre-20's?
On a side note...
I think it's wonderful that you are "a fan of Albert Einstein"
That guy made some totally kick-ass movies.
Maybe I understand your question. You have one 10ml vial of testosterone, made with 95% pure testosterone. It is dosed at 250mg/ml, because the brewer did the math to produce 250mg/ml, even though it is 95% pure. You want to remove the 5% impurities from the hormone?
To me in my brain what im saying makes sense its just im not wording it correctly
Go back, research it more, and then try again when you have a better grasp of what it is you're trying to explain.
That a good quote i like that quote im a fan of Albert Einstein very wise man.
I believe the core of what im trying to say is ther.
Ill definitely be doing be doing some research
Thanks buddy
If you are thinking about having a same amount of hormone suspended in half the amount of the oil to have the suspension more concentrated per ml then think about pip. Try pinning high concentrated test from a good source. Many people have to dikute these with oil because the pip is crippling.
Silly question. Extracting the hormone shouldnt be too difficult. Force it to crash and crystallize. Crystals left will be the hormone, the rest is oil.
Im sure if you had a lab it could be done more precisely, but I am assuming you have no lab. If you did, you would have no need to ask this. Posts below are correct. Manufacturers will simply go light or absent on the hormone to stretch their supply and make more money. If you are getting bottles from a middleman that is adding oil to the bottles before selling, you have failed in any attempt to find a legitimate supplier.
I think you might be onto something with forcing it to crash but thats not the end of it
No. What would you do with crystals? They have to be suspended in a liquid to be able to inject them. The higher the concentration of hormone there is, the harder it is to keep it suspended. It's difficult to make higher concentrations, because of the crashing issues. Also the pip is horrible.
I'm not sure where you're going with this, but it seems nowhere. Good luck.
Say like the guy that made the gear knowingly has put enough hormone to dose it at say 125mg/ml but is labeling it at 250mg/ml
I dont think theres a way to acuratly know what its dosed at without lab test but what im trying find out is if i can get rid of that extra oil so it concentrated back to the dose on the label
I hope that makes sense guys
Im pretty sure if it was possible every one would like to know how to
And theres nothing wrong with asking that question if you understood the question correctly
If you dont know thats fine
No, that would be oil. You're kidding me right?
Hi brother
Can you explain what you mean
Because i think where misunderstanding each other
Honestly no, I'm not going to explain it to you. I read your other recent thread regarding running a huge amount of gear now I've read this. It concerns me that injecting yourself with drugs you have absolutely no understanding of. I think it's time you took a step back, go away and read up. That way you'll learn why what you've written here is ridiculous.
Dude youve misunderstood what im asking because your not telling me how your brain recieved it
Again how would you know if what i written is ridiculous if you not telling me how your brain recieved it
Its a genuine question
If some thing is cut to increase the profit for the seller i want to know if theres a way to get rid of filler and leave the pure anabolic instead of injecting rubish along with the steroid
Which would result in under dosed product
Do you know if its
A yes or a no
The cycle in my other post is an advanced cycle its not for an average newbie
I dont see what was wrong with it
Its like its never been done or youve never heard some one do something like that before
Rustyhookerhere since 2012. Trolling.
Why would their be "filler" in an oil suspension?
There may be impure hormone, there may be less hormone than suggested, but the way you've worded it that doesn't appear to be what you mean.
Ok I'll play. But for the record I do agree with Cat this is a ridiculous question. What exactly do you think a lab is going to cut their oil with? If a lab is going to purposely make an underdosed product they will just use less hormone. Simple as that. The rest will be oil. Or have I too not understood the question?
No you kind of got it dacky
Like say for example if someone had 5 ampules maybe more or maybe less of 100%legit sustanon amps and filled the remainder with oil because he wanted to make it 10mls to make profit
What you said about using less hormones is kinda the same thing
So my question was can anything be done to get rid of that EXTRA oil it might be cut with
So your not shooting your self with useless stuff
And just using the real deal
I tried to explain what i mean i hope you got what im trying to say
Removed response as it is clear as day you are clueless and do zero research, possibly a tell tale sign this lifestyle may not be for you or you haven't graduated high school yet.
Sure but how would you know? You would need to lab test (mass spec) the gear and if it came out say half dosed then your best bet would be to pin double the amount. Can't see anything else that is practical. Best bet is to find a lab/source you trust.
EDIT: if you're looking to extract the raw hormone then again what would be the point. You can't use the hormone raw. It needs to be suspended in oil that's why it comes like that - including "real deal" pharmagrade. Again I'm not sure where you're going with this.
I know what your saying
But it would be awsoume if we could do some thing like that
Like fuk if i wanted to take 1000mg and its dosed half of 250mg/ml youd need to pin 8 mls instead of 4 and thats just using one compound so almost a vial
So your taking 4 mls of just useless stuff.
I was reading on musculardevelopment.com about the dosages that dorian yates kevin levrone and shawn ray were taking.
Regardless of there genitics that tells that back in the day the stuff was way more potent
http://musculardevelopment.com/articles/chemical-enhancement/14316-the-l...
Also some one comented about forcing the gear to crash
I think he might be onto something but its not the end of the proccess
Just buy high mg/ml gear then fella and be done with it. Plenty of sources stock 500/600mg per ml oils. Up to you if you can handle the pip which can be extreme and crippling. Again as I've said if you have crashed gear what would you do with it? It needs to be in oil to be used. See now why this is a crazy question.
I dont know bro
I honestly believe something could be done through steps
I will look into it if i find out any thing ill post here because i believe it can be usefull to people
I hope nothing is 50% dosed but i have heard of people getting gear bellow 50% of dose like 30%
Finally a sensible suggestion. Go and do some research into how oil based aas are produced. There is nothing "to be done". The design is intentional and necessary. It has to be suspended to be used. I can't say it any simpler terms. Go and buy yourself some 600mg/ml test e and have a go at pinning it and see how you handle it. Good luck.
I know its gotta be suspended in oil
You kinda got what i was trying to say then lost it
Any way thankyou dacky really appreciate it and i will be doing some research as you suggested