adjusted test only cycle
So I opted out of using the sust either way I chose to run it the dose was going to be way to high for my liking so I changed it up
Stats:
26
5'8
200 pound
18 % bf (high I know but I got 3 months before i start the cycle in which I'll be cutting)
Test cyp 12 weeks 500 mg a week 250 on Monday 250 on Thursday.
I have arimidex on hand in case estro problems arise. I'll be getting blood work a month before the cycle starts 6 weeks in and after pct the usual
My question is proviron I never used it I got a standard dose Idea 50 mg a day my question is how many weeks should the be ran for? I saw 8 weeks... should it be used in the beginning or the end or the cycle which would be more optimal? I'm think the end to help break through possible plateaus?
In the past I have used the following
Deca
Anadrol
Masteron
Anavar
Dbol
Winstrol depot
And every test ester including suspension
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These guys got you on point. Impastable mentioned my preferred method. To clear things up for you a little Sust 250 E3D would put you at a weekly average of 583 for 12 weeks. It also gives you more actual test at 379 per week. That is without front loading. If you do front load your average goes up to 625 per week and 418 of actual test per week. If you want to calculate the basic weekly average you can use a spreadsheet to chart every other day or every third day...whatever. Then add up the total and divide it by the weeks. This a very quick and dirty way to asses how much you will need to order and design a cycle more specific to your needs.
I wrote a topic specifically on Sust 250
Different Esters
Thanks bro
You are 26, not very big, highish body fat, and you've run a pile of drugs already. Time to reevaluate what you are doing.
Yeah you're right started when I was 19. Made a bunch of mistakes from crashing my estro to not running pct at all.. I'm 15 pounds heavier than you at the same height... you gunna suggest I run deca at a gram and test at 200mg?
No young man I'm gonna suggest that you get your diet and training in check. You are 15 lbs heavier than me and I've only been in a gym for a total of 1 month in the last year and I'm almost 38 years old. What does that say about your stats? I wouldn't suggest you run any anabolics at this point, you are young and impatient and lack discipline. Btw a gram of deca for any human would be irresponsible.
Lower test than deca is irresponsible of course I was exaggerating. I also started working out and eating a lot at a weight of 110 pounds I gained 60 of it naturally and the rest with gear. I've gained a total of 90 pounds that I've been able to sustain been as heavy as 225... I know what I'm doing, everyone who knows me on here knows I don't want to be lean I like being bulky look at all of my post I've been saying that from the start. I've stuck my guns and plan to do so. I do what I do for the raw power (which can be done without gear) not to look like a pretty boy. Oh and not to mention the fact you're giving me advice on a cycle and you don't even stick to regular training schedule.... that says Alot about you and your stats bud.
Test lower than deca is not irresponsible it is just another way to skin a cat.
And 90 percent of the people who do that will end up dead dick.... sorry but at age 26 I'd rather keep my hard ons the way they are
Again young man you are 100% wrong. I'm not talking out of my ass to try and steer you or anyone else wrong. This is just my opinion because nobody ever has bloodwork to prove otherwise, but deca dick is usually just elevated estrogen. Period.
RustyhookerDeca dick isnt estrogen. Deca breaks down to other chems as does testosterone.
Advising an advanced/alternative to someone still learning is haphazard.
Tread was resident guru. Easy to search.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/deca-dick
There isn't anything in that link that proves or disproves anything.
Good luck this dude is hell bent on it doesn't exist lol
RustyhookerSame argument as masteron and estro. Some can....some cant. But its irresponsible to just flat suggest it to a newer person.
Just research....everything for success is posted on this site.
I hear yah I'd never suggest that to someone that's just me tho...
There you go again throwing your age around... you have no right in this world to say I lack discipline. I quit smoking cigarettes quit drinking I was a benzodiazapines addict I quit that without rehab or na meetings cold turkey and started doing this and put on 110 pounds at my heaviest weight... and here you are talking about discipline when you can't even stick to a workout regimen then going to say work on a diet if you can't stick to something as simple as a workout program then you sure as hell can't dedicate yourself to a diet... and nobody needs proof to make that assumption I've done shit to get where I'm at that you couldn't go through on your best day old man! You compromised your credibility on your own in this very post!
I'm truly happy for you that you've been able to overcome addiction, I've been there as well, and I hope that you never go back. I'm not gonna get into a pissing contest with you as to who has had a tougher life. You are still a very young man and you need to learn some humility.
I have been sober longer than I was on the shit now
I am young but I feel like I shouldn't be told I have no discipline
RustyhookerI start provi week 4 til pct started. 50 is fine ed. Everyone tries it differently, just matter of your body and preferences.
If your foods are on point, it should be very successful run. Makwa is food master as is catalyst.
Yeah I'll try it out and adjust it as I go.
Right now I'm hitting 4000 cals which is a deficit for me trying to cut up before I start the cycle. I want to get down as much as possible before I start it which is something I usually don't do I eat dirty as fuck strait through most of the time so I'm kinda miserable right now lmao I love my pizza and burgers not gunna lie. But I'm going to try the lean thing on for size I like being bulky that's just me tho.
Start the provi from the get go and run through entire cycle.
Same mg per day I'm assuming... no need to up dose as long as my test dosent change?
I've never found any benefit going above 50 mg. I would just run that dose for the whole cycle.
Okay cool thanks makwa
So that would be 9 weeks on a 12 week cycle I'm assuming with proviron I'm not gunna need the ai but I got Alot of it I keep it just in case
50mg is fine. You may want to look into running it at higher dosages if you're nearing or breaching 1g of test.
Naw that's why I opted out of sust it was either .5ml a day which is 800+ mg a week or 250 eod which one week is 750 and the next is a gram. So I said no way I'm going with cyp or enanthate I like cyp Alot so I chose that. I'll only be using 500 mg of cyp and 300 mg prop for the first 4 weeks which I forgot to add in the post. I like the prop kicker lol prop is my favorite ester to be honest.
Can't say I've ever kicked with prop, so I don't know what that's like. I prefer front loading everything.
I'm not sure I'm understanding your dosage calculations? I'm not sure how you broke it down, but you're essentially pinning 750mg every six days on an EOD schedule, which in the grand scheme of things over the long run is constant... I personally prefer 750mg of test myself when test is the main compound. I've tried a gram before as an experiment and it wasn't worth it to me at all. I'm not trying to tell you to run 750mg per week, just having some healthy debate
But as they say, sus is king ;)
Well I starts typing out my dosage calculation then after I looked at it on paper I noticed you were right lol I was looking at it like this
First week
Monday Wednesday Friday
Next week
Sunday Tuesday Thursday Saturday
Then back to
Monday Wednesday Friday....
But you're right grand scheme it flows together... which now makes me want to go back to the drawing board. I didn't order the cycle gear yet I got a bunch of stuff stock piled but I running through a few ideas
If I use sust I won't do the prop kicker obviously, but with cyp or enanthate I do prop kickers.
Thanks for bringing that dosage to my attention btw.
Yeah I stopped looking at cycles on a weekly basis and started doing them all through a spreadsheet. E3D injections are E3D, not every Monday and Thursday... Havoc has an entire explanation of the method, so you can try giving some of his forums a read.
I'll take a look at it thanks bro!
bigmurphI start my Proviron around wk 3 right when my long esters are starting to work. Then i take it right up until pct