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+ 26 Noobs guide on how to research for a steroid cycle-

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It seems like everyday we get a new cycle proposal in the logs section or question in the forums about a first cycle and its clear they have no idea what they're doing. So we all tell them the same thing, you need to do some research. The reason I don't like to spoon feed people is not because of the time it takes, I could write you out a basic test cycle plan with pct in 30 seconds. But the problem is a lot people will just take that idea and run with it. They won't do another minute of research and before you know it they have a needle in their ass and 6 weeks later they're wonder why they have bitch tits and there dick won't work. Well Ive been thinking about it and I don't think a lot of people know what they're supposed to be researching. Theres a lot of different things one must learn before embarking on their first steroid cycle and its important they have all their bases covered. I don't want anybody to miss an important topic so i've put a little guide on what exactly you should become familiar with before crossing over to the dark side.

Blood Work
The most important thing in my opinion. This is good for many reasons. First and foremost to make sure you're healthy. If you're going to be using steroids in my opinion you need to be basically in perfect health. So by getting blood work done you can see your lipids, kidneys, liver, thyroid, complete blood count and testosterone levels. So the next reason you need to be doing this is to establish a baseline for your testosterone levels. This is important so when you finish your first cycle and get blood work to see if you recovered you will know for sure. If you got blood work before and your testosterone was 600ng/dl and your blood work after your cycle shows your test is now 400ng/dl you know you have not recovered yet so more time off is necessary. Without a baseline its just a guessing game. So figure out how to get your blood work done. Its very easy in most states in the US. Not sure about the other countries.

A BASIC TEST CYCLE!!!
People seem miss this one 9 times out of 10 and propose some crazy messed up first cycle. So I'm gonna spoon feed you one thing and tell you your first cycle should be test only. So start searching eroids google for posts on a "test only cycle". And just because you hear that your first cycle needs to be a test only cycle dont think your missing out on a damn thing. Testosterone at 500mgs per week is extremely fucking powerful, you strength will go through the roof, if your eating correcting you will put on more muscle with this one cycle then probably any other cycle you run during your juicing career, if your diets really spot on you can lose a good bit of fat while gaining a ton of muscle. My first cycle I gained 28lbs, 5 was water that dropped right in the first 2 weeks of pct and i held 23, id have to say roughly 18lbs was LBM. I havent came close to those numbers running the stacks you guys are all reading about, test deca dbol, test tren, test eq, hgh etc. Keeping 10lbs these days is a great cycle for me. So your still thinking well if I can gain that much with just test I can gain even more if i add trenbolone. Wrong, it just doesnt work that way. The body even on gear can only add muscle so quickly, you might get an extra few pounds, but along with that youll get a set of tits that lactate, a dick that doesnt work, and a pct so rough and painful youll lose everything you gained. When you run that first cycle your a virgin, youre body has never been exposed to hormones like this before. Anyone who has ever smoked weed will tell you the first time they actually got high, its impossible to replicate that high no matter what you do. So stop trying to add fucking deca, or tren or anything else thinking your missing out because your cycle is called "test only". If i could re-virginize my receptors after every cycle and run a 500mg test cycle again just like my first. Id be bigger then ronnie coleman making those kind of gains 2-3 times per year.

Aromatize inhibitors
Pretty important part of a cycle. These drugs will keep your estrogen in normal range and can be the difference between you getting bitch tits or not as well as many other side effects. Theres two different kinds that are suitable for on cycle use. Aromasin and Arimidex. Do some research on proper doses for each of them, when to start them, the difference between the two etc etc. And also look into another AI called Letrozole, it will save you if your on cycle AI doesn't work. But its not the kind of AI you use on cycle its only for emergencies.

PCT
First you need to look into the standard pct protocol. It shouldn't be hard to find. Ill give you a hint it includes both Nolva and Clomid. I don't want to give you all the info because I believe by searching and reading about pct you will come across other useful info that you would miss out on if I just laid it out for you and you didn't research on your own.

Ester clearance times
This goes back to pct. An ester is almost like an extended release mechanism. if you were to inject pure testosterone or TNE as its called ( testosterone no ester) it will be in and out of your system in a matter of hours. So they developed these esters that extend the half life of the steroid. So depending on which testosterone ester your using will determine how long you wait to start pct after your last injection. So search when to start pct after test e or c cycle.

How to inject/injection sites
The next thing you want to learn about is how to inject, how to be sterile and the different injection sites. Ill save you some trouble and give you a great website that shows the different injection sites, needle sizes, and injection procedure regarding how to be as clean and sterile as possible. http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm

Infections and abscesses
Its important that you know the signs and symptoms of an infection. If your gear is clean and you follow proper steps to insure sterility you shouldn't have a problem. But as they say, shit happens. So make sure you know what to look for incase this happens to you.

Side effects both short and long term
Before starting a cycle you should be familiar with the potential side effects and how to prevent them. There are many short term side effects but there is also some that can stay with you for the rest of your life. So make sure you understand these risks before you decided to use steroids.

Gyno
Gyno is one these side effects but I feel that it needs its own section. You want to know the signs and symptoms and how to treat it. Its not like one day you wake up with bitch tits. It happens somewhat slowly so if you recognize it early which you should then you'll be able to stop it before it progresses into actual breast tissue. But if took the time to learn about aromatize inhibitors then you should not have this problem.

Cycle lengths and time off
Unfortunately you cant stay on cycle forever and you can't just start a new cycle whenever you feel like it. So learn about how long you should run your cycle and how much time you need to take off before your next one.

This is the basics of what you need to research. Im sure i'm forgetting some things so ill add more as I remember but this is a good starting point for all you guys who are considering using steroids. If you do the proper research you can reap the benefits of anabolic steroids while minimizing the side effects. So do it the right way and you'll have a blast, do it the wrong way and you can run into some very serious problems. So take your time to cover all your bases and you'll have fun.

If anyone has anything to add feel free to comment and I will add it in.

Iron-Gym-Works's picture

Excellent Brother.

THE_MECHANIC's picture

Lmao!! No Rusty, those are the "lean gains" that all the kids are talking about...

Eddie1977's picture

Outstanding piece. Has help me understand where I've went wrong .can't thank u enough

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Read down the thread................... im gonna ask and ask until my fkn finger gets sore.

MAKE THIS FUCKER A STICKIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Catalyst's picture

100% agree.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Mods must be busy with dealers.

MAKE THIS POST A STICKIE GUYS WHEN YOU SEE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

alpha2000's picture

Great post! and should be stickied. When I started my research I never knew where to start and after several months of reading I still thought I needed more than one compound at a time in the belief I needed to cover all bases. I have since had some great advice from guys on this board and now will run a test only first. And now after reading this I still see a few more areas I need to research before starting my first cycle. I am sure I am not the only one that thinks they knew enough but actually didn't.

warpAqualung's picture

I would add this when researching on forums:

Parroting - Most people just answer to threads based on what they have read before from other person. So a forum may have certain beliefs and another forum may have not. So check as many forums as you can and see if they all agree with the facts.

For example: they will all agree that pct is a must, while in some forums primo is "tren without sides" and in others primo is worthless.

irongame427's picture

and some an ai on cycle is a must, while other forums say keep it on hand just in case. Some forums love eq, one in particular all agree its only purpose is to lube your bike chain, just because one senior member said it so they all say it. lot of parroting going on everywhere. But ya, i agree with reading as many different forums as possible, when im doing research myself i check out all the ones that come up with my search topic and see whatt they all have to say.

irongame427's picture

I had a few vials last summer I was like hmm should i run it or lube up my yz450f and i said fuck it and ran it and who would have though I added 13 solid pounds and dropped some bodyfat and kept every pound, eq gains really do stick for some reason. People just disregard it because they dont gain a pound a day of water for the first 2 weeks like with nandrolone

robxl12321's picture

I've been using aas for I've 7 years and I still most of the time run test only cycles lmao. People get crazy out here wanting to run deca dbol and,test on their first go around. Insanity man!

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irongame427's picture

aint that the truth. They just dont understand. And in all honesty, id say 90% of members here myself included can reach their goals with just test, maybe throw in some dbol for bulks and some var at the end of cuts and thats it. Im running a sust dbol cycle today just started, keeping it simple so theres no focus on complicated stacks and timing with different things and all the focus on hard training and eating bigg.

robxl12321's picture

This is literally me only I use prop 99 percent of the time I don't know call me a sadist but I love pinning more frequently it feels like I have more control over the hormones. I'll do 2 cycles a year one is just test the next is test and dbol lmfao almost everytime man.

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Awaken The BeAsT's picture

Bro this is honestly the most in depth post I have seen on here referring to a beginner I am running a test cyp only cycle was told to drop the clen I'm 6'1 200lbs with 15.9 body fat my eating is healthy isn't an issue gonna go for 500ml a week 2 separate 250mls post cycle therapy is clomid and Nova confused on the doses as far as that though

robxl12321's picture

He has you right on that pct with the nolva and clomid that's standard pct protocol

100/40 two weeks
50/20 Two weeks

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irongame427's picture

That was my goal when writing it bro. I spend like shit idk 6-8 months researching for my first cycle, I actually really enjoyed reading about it and by the end I was firmilar with almost all the common drugs but having something like this would have made the research process a fucking hell of a lot easier. Most people aren't like me and don't like to spend hours a day reading so this is good for them so they don't fuck themselves up. Everything you need to research in one place, then a search on each topic and bam you're almost ready. As for your pct you want to start it about 18 days after your last shot, then 100mgs clomid for 2 weeks followed by 50mgs the next two weeks. At the same time 40mgs first 2 weeks 20mgs second 2 weeks.

After reading your other post it seems like you had a rough time last cycle. Blocd work before this cycle is a must to see where your test levels are naturally so when you get blood work done 1 month after finishing pct you can determine if you recovered, meaning if your test levels have returned to what they were prior to the cycle. And also more blood work around the middle to end of week 5 to see how your body is handing everything and if your gear is properly dosed.

Awaken The BeAsT's picture

Yea bro definitely did it was a nightmare. trainer was giving me anadrol winnie and dbol all on the same cycle plus about 500 mlgs of test so when he got caught up I had no pct or anything body just straight up crashed.don't get me wrong I made hella gains gained 40 lbs in 6 months but went from 160 lbs to 200 lbs but at the end of the day the hell I went through wasn't worth it so now I'm trying on my own and doing it the right way and hoping with combination of research and being able to obtain knowledge from guys like you I'll be okay in the long run apologize for the lengthy reply bro but thank you again for reaching out Def means a lot no homo! Lol

irongame427's picture

These fucking trainers man, 3 methylated orals at one time, thats absolute madness for a first cycle or any cycle really unless your competeting at a high level and just a few weeks out from a show. Thats about the only time its acceptable. I see no reasoning for those three either, anadrol and dbol together yes, but winny also, i dont get that. Youre not the first one to come on here and tell us he has/had this trainer that had him on some crazy cycle, i dont understand how these people think, actually I do, Let me sell you 3 different orals to put more money in my pocket. Just selfish reasons with no regard for your health.

Doing it on your own isnt hard, this isnt fucking rocket science lol, putting together beginner cycles, intermediate cycles, theyre all laid out on here like 1000 times each. And you can always run ideas past others like myself to see if youre on the right track. Just always remember one thing, diet is the most important aspect of all of this, you CANT out train or out gear a bad diet, Get your diet and training dialed in and never ever deviate and youll do well. Youll never need to run a shit ton of gear if you know how to eat and train.

Awaken The BeAsT's picture

Yea bro you are absolutely right bro dude didn't care about my well being I see that now for my first cycle on my own I'm just going to run test cyp at 500 mlgs 250 twice a week as far as diet still doing a lot of research not as easy or simple as I thought but I take into consideration that if it was easy everyone would be doing it I have passion for lifting trust me bros I will not start until I have a proper diet to bulk first not looking to waste time or money with that being said hopefully a year down the road I can have the knowledge to become successful at my goals and be able to make you guys proud and show off my dedication and prove to you guys that every piece of advice given did not fall on deaf ears thanks fella for all the support means alot

Makwa's picture

Nice post. First time I saw this. Should make this a mandatory read when making an account. Got it in my Favs so I'll pass it on to any noobs.

Catalyst's picture

Good timing for a bump.

Cough, sticky, cough.

irongame427's picture

Ya im not sure why its not, I wrote this so long ago. So long ago that I was totally single at the time and now im 6 months away from getting married lol. Its the best all in one guide on a first cycle on this site. Direct me to another, or anyone if im wrong.

btw, i just thought of some great things to add to it. Check out the basic test cycle part. I still see way to many people wanting to run crazy shit their first cycle so i did some further explaining. Its a shame the intelligent and responsible first time users will have to dig this up instead of easily find it at the top, if they find it at all. It really does pretty much tell them everything they need to become familiar before starting their first cycle. For now will just have to keep bumping it so its easy for them to find.

Catalyst's picture

It's a great post. One stop shop for the first time user.

Dacky's picture

Good call!

Pipelinesteve4's picture

Very nice. Thanks for your insight.

CoreyBenson's picture

Thanks iron! very good thread.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

BUMP........... sticky material.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

BUMP........................ STICKIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mods usually follow me around just to see if im behaving lmao!

Cmon guys get this pinned pleeeeese Smile

Catalyst's picture

I'd have to agree.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Its a MOD vote bro.......... one of them will have to take it into the backroom and get the green light.

zeusmarada's picture

@irongame427, +1 all day (I'd upvote more if my karma allowed!)

I know this post is a year old. The information here is relevant for all time.

This could (and should!) be a STICKY in the "Cycles" section of the forum. Just reading this makes me realize how much more I need to be researching, and I feel like I've spent +100 hours on this site doing research (aka-reading, absorbing, and doing my best to keep everything straight). Thank you, @irongame, for this thread. I hope newbs see it and read it. I'm gonna simply copy this thread URL and post it when I see newbs coming in here and struggling. Dude, seriously, well written.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

You can upvote now bro.

Welcome to Level 1 Smile

irongame427's picture

Ya man theres alot to learn before you start fucking with hormones if you want to do it as safely and responsibly as possible. So I figured it would be a good idea to put together a list of pretty much every subject you need to research and lean before you start. And while youre doing this reading on these topics you will most likely also see other things in the forums that will also be of some help. You know you search gyno symptoms and youre reading about it and you see another thread where someone says they are getting gyno and the guys gave him advice on how to stop it from progressing so you learn that in the process, just one example. So you research these idk 10 or whatever topics but you actually end up reading another 20 different posts relating to each of them. Thats how it was for me when i started to do my reserach. 100 hours is good, whatever it takes to learn pretty much all you can. I spent all my free time over 6-7 months just reading before starting my first cycle. I probably spent 3 or 4 hours everyday during those 6-7 months just because it fascinated me.

ItallianStallion89's picture

X2. Yeah i agree brother it should be a sticky. Very good info for a newb for sure.

redmenace117's picture

This is awesome, force beginners to read this!

Baby Herc's picture

Good need to know info.

NoPnNoGn's picture

Wow! very nice post. I have been considering my first cycle. I have been doing research for about a month now. I felt like I was ready to start communication with others instead of just reading post, and chose this site after reading forums at a bunch of different sites. The very first response I got from my very first post was from Gearhead and his reply was simple: "read this" and he attached a link to this thread. After reading this thread It makes me apply the brakes and realize I have a lot more research to do before I do this. Think I am gonna wait at least until after the new year before I start anything, if I decide to actually do AAS. This will give me a solid 6 months of research and conversations here before taking action one way or the other.

Irishguy68's picture

Great Post! I was referred here, wish I found it on my own............very helpful!

Older School's picture

This is going to come in handy. Thanks.

MastHead's picture

Great write up bro.!

STICKY THIS!!

fitfirst123's picture

why doesn't that injection site talk about the ventrogluteal spot, heard that's supposed to be the best one, no soreness.

sic26's picture

Great post like always gotta love eroids if you can't learn on this site something is wrong lol

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