Welts
There is always talk of welts in those choosing to use HGH. There are many questions surrounding the topic and even more answers, some valid, most are based in hysteria. You've heard them all before I'm sure. When 3 people post up comments of welts on an SI, inevitably the topic of 192 ensues and someone who read something on some other forum will overreact and start shouting about 191 vs. 192. It's shit, get a refund, hold this source accountable. Here is a link to some information you may find helpful, maybe not
http://dermnetnz.mobify.me/reactions/urticaria.html
Urticaria is widely known in the medical field and comes with a litany of precursors: solar, physical, chronic, acute, my personal favorite is Dermographism. This link will show you a small sample of how the epidermis can react in a variety of urticaria. Perhaps some research will help you from getting caught up in hysteria and wild accusations of fraud. While this in no way ensures the quality of any UG product, it does give room for a discussion.
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I have many welts, many. I don't think it necessarily means it is bunk. In my case, I think it was too many pins in same area too frequently. First, I try not use the same site for a few days. I pin as many different locations as possible. When I go back to same site, I space at least 2 inches from previous.
Good call.
Mp859I have never had a reaction to pharmaceutical gh.... Therefore something must be wrong with generics that guve these issues.
Nor have I, but I've only gotten a welts one or two times on all the generics I've run. We know that generics aren't pharmaceutical quality, but does a welt mean it's bunk, only SIMEC knows, and until that comes in, I don't see a reason to jump the gun.
yup. its def a huge issue with generics right now...I think cuz of inferior quality
marked for further investigation
Thanks guys
Thanks to everyone for your contributions. Learning a shit ton.
Awesome information as always, thank you guys. I'll read up on this, hope everyone else does the same.
Can I elaborate ?
I'll just wait for another time
Maybe start with this:
http://www.pharmacypracticenews.com/download/SR1229_WM.pdf
Understanding GH (it's not an actual Generic Med)
RELATED PROTEINS TEST
(European Pharmacopoeia 6.0%)
(Cheap Generics can be higher %)
DIMMER AND RELATED SUBSTANCES (Higher Molecular Mass)
(European Pharmacopoeia 4.0%)
(Cheap Generics can be higher %)
Dimmer and related substances of higher molecular mass: rhGh aggregates that coexist with normal rhGh. They don't have biological activity and cause antibody of rhGh. The antibody combines to rhGh molecule. The antibody prevents the rhGh from combining to it's receptor to stimulate growth, cause the biological activity of rhGh to decrease .
N-TERMINAL ANALYSIS
(Met-hGh)
BACTERIA ENDOTOXIN TEST
(Possible Welt Issue also)
shiningstarThank you for this info, i've been trying to get as much info as possible and educate myself about gh and yourself and other members who post links and info have really helped me! thanks!
I think "Generic" is the big misconception
Understanding BioSimilars, BioIdenticals, Follow-On
Also try:
http://www.drcranton.com/hrt/hgh_body_of_evidence.htm
( Generics, Immune Response , Welts, etc)
GENERATOR's right also. Could be a number of issues.....BUT.....with such a large amount of complaints.....well.....I'll stick with ole trusty Dr. Lei
I totally agree, the partial dilemma, for me anyway, is the spuratic nature of it. Some have a reaction while others don't. My girlfriend gets welts from one brand while I don't. I've heard people talk about getting welts and then not. What I hope to see is an end to the unsubstantiated claim of 192 vs 191. Killer info as usual man, thanks.
And that's the thing....the info you posted is one of the potential issues, no doubt.
That's why I hadn't said much....but lots of complaints.....so...I'd rather just see what the Lab Test results say
Exactly !
shiningstarNice! it looks like its the purification and extraction in the manufacturing of the generics that could be to blame for allergic or immune responses, i know gh is very delicate, but could welts and other issues be just from poor quality or is great quality gh that harshly affected in manufacturing?
And this one:
http://www.drcranton.com/hrt/cautions_generic_HGH.htm
shiningstaryep, that's the one right there lol good info!
BILL ROBERTS:
Redness and Swelling in Response to GH Injection?
Redness and swelling should not occur at a growth hormone injection site. That said, with legitimate, sterile GH a very small percentage of injections will go wrong in some unknown way, temporarily causing these effects. A reason for this could be the needle picking up some skin bacteria in the injection process, despite good procedure. If the redness or swelling subsides, a single such event should cause no suspicion of the product.
If it’s a known-good product yet such responses occur twice in a row, the vial should be discarded. It may have become contaminated.
If it’s a product which is new to you and unproven, then the most likely explanation is that it is a cheap, 192 amino acid product which no one should use. Continued use could result in developing immune response not only to the bad product, but to genuine GH as well.
Not sure if doing IM inject instead if SubQ is the safe answer :(
shiningstarI don't see how this links to gh welts, seems more like a general reaction to other outside influences, i myself got terrible red welts from gh that i'm sure is terrible quality, i'd like a reason for what inside the gh causes these events, bacteria, toxins etc. Thanks for this post though, still informative i guess i'm missing it.
There is no direct link to welts and Hgh. The point is that there are a myriad of factors surrounding welts, which include pressure, cold, allergic reactions to drugs and pressure, it doesn't mean the hgh is bunk, though I'm sure some are.
shiningstarThanks bro for your links and info!
bigmurphI have spoken to multiple members that get welts and they give the hgh to someone else and it ends up working fine for them
I believe it just depends on the person
RustyhookerTheres no link
It should be there now.