+ 1 Advice to the newbie is outdated.
Very often I come across this statement: you are so young, you just need to train hard and clean your diet and you ll get where you need to be naturally. I m not trying to dismiss hard work and diet as the base for all progress. The issue I'm bringing into discussion today is the one that fits all advice. We I should say are the last of a breed that's going extinct. We just assume that youth means high t., disregarding many factors backed by scientific data today. Testosterone in young population is declining at a rapid and alarming rate. We can't compare kids growing in the 60's and 70's to the late 90's and early 00's . At least on this side of the planet. We can sit here and dissect the reasons why is this to be seen as an epidemic and how to work against it but to no avail. We won't make a dent in the amount of creeping high e. low t. causing products backed by gigantic profit seeking corporations. I just can't anymore assume that a twenty four year old has natural high t. I usually suggest a trip to the doc first, before I can say anything else.
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This shit is backfiring at me. I meant no harm really, my intention was to be a bit more mindful of I say and don't say. I totally messed up :). My apologies to the community. I admit my approach was wrong.
Tophero21I agree. I had T that couldnt even be registered through blood work because it was that low. Im a young guy and no one condoned trt because I was just young. REALLY?! wtf my T is fubar and everyone wants to leave me feeling like an 80 YO man. Needless to say, im doing what I have to do, regardless of a lack of support from many.
Bullshit!
See a Doctor and follow his advice. If things are as you claim, he will prescribe a solution.
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I guess I failed to express myself correctly. I agree 200% with the approach,I'm not debating it. I was adding to it.
I didn't mean to offend neither do I have any other motives. It's something I really needed to discuss because I thought I need to be a bit more careful with my advice. Does not mean that real work and clean diet is tossed out the window for short cuts. It's something I ve noticed and felt like adding a cent or less. Apparently I opened a can of worms I m unable to handle.
I guess I was misunderstood to a great extent. I m not debating diet and exercise at all and I'm not trying to encourage aas usage by kids and young adults by any means. My point is very simple, I can't have one advice that fits all: train hard and eat clean you ll achieve your goals, there's no need for aas till later in life. All I was trying to say is I m not an MD and I can't tell for sure whether this particular case differs from another: a kid asking me advice I prefer to let him know that I m not qualified to assess his needs for any particular substance, I can always quote our cliche which works for everybody( many of us included, looking for short cuts), but again I believe it's better to show the right path then assume I know everything about everybody that asks. I personally have (as a pt) seen quite a few of my young clients on trt.
Do you seriously believe that a kid is on a steroid review site because he feels he can relate to the low T commercials he sees on TV?
Are there some kids out there that have low T because of their pre diabetic diet, sloth, and other health issues best diagnosed by a doctor? Sure, why not. So what's your next step? The internet kid tells you he's on prescribed TRT and you teach him how to blast and cruise?
If it makes you feel better to tell them to seek a doctor's help. Go for it.
Should we just try and ban them as they show up? Tell them to go to hell and see a doctor, no advice whatsoever?
Or, should we try to coach them, educate them, and try and get them to take pause and rethink what they are about to do. Give them a chance to have one on one conversations about training and exercise with experienced bodybuilders (some who are professionals) if they agree to wait.
There is no way in hell we are going to advise AAS use whether the kid legitimately needs TRT or just wants to be bigger on the football field. So yes, when it comes down to it we can have a one advice fits all approach.
You're talking bullshit for one, and two, all the reasonings for (some small percent of) youth having low(er) T can be solved with the advice we give. PROPER DIET AND EXERCISE.
In fact, it is not just the young. The same advice is given to the overweight, and the under trained.
As you yourself suggest go see a doctor. If it is truly low T and they are under a doctor's care, are you suggesting we should teach them how to "abuse" the drug they're being prescribed? Toss in host of other issues like high BP, high RBC count, high cholesterol, etc?
Exactly, a trip to the doc would explain it all, but how many do you see here under 25 actually do? Every young kid ASSumes he has low t because they are tired or lack sex drive when the real reason is because they are grossly overweight or always eating nothing but twinkies and pizza and sitting on their asses all day and playing video games. Im speaking generally of course. I dont believe a majority of the younger generation has low t for one second. My wife is in her late 20's and she said her high school was nothing but a bunch of horny kids fucking all the time. How is that low t?
bigmurphI believe alot of younger guys have low t because there running tren at the age of 20
There are problems out there causing low t but these kids running gear at young ages is the #1 problem
RustyhookerFirst off, you posted your argument in the old folks trt section.
Second, its the rules here and there many other sites those lost kiddies can go. This debate is stale and old.
Is that why all the kids I see these days are wearing womans skinny jeans and capri's? Low T? Maybe your onto something here.
lmfao!!