+ 1 First Cycle Anavar Test
Hello All,
I have been on TRT for two years 250mg per week of test. I have also been on 20 mg of Accutane for the last 6 months. Im now in to my 5th week of my very first cycle of 500mg/week test and 80mg/day anavar. My precycle blood work came back as follows:
Cholesterol Total 229
Test 800
Estrogen 81.5
TGP/ALT 68 u/i
After 5 weeks my bloodwork came back as follows:
Cholesterol 251
Test 1700
Estrogen 116
TGP/ALT 181 u/i
Im concerned about the liver enzymes and have stopped the Accutane. I would like to finish my cycle as I have 5 weeks left. Im taking Liv 54 twice a day. Im also taking 1mg tab of Anastrazole every 3 days. I may have been going heavy on the protein consumption along with my low carb diet. I was consuming between 150 and 200 mg of powdered protein in addition to my meals. I have cut back the protien to 50-75mg per day. The high cholesterol most likely is due to the many eggs I have in my diet. Im cutting out yokes.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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Any update on how your cycle was when all said and done? and did you run anavar the whole cycle?
cheers
If cholesterol is an issue and as posted below you have access to several types of pct, please read the below link
https://www.synthetek.com/how-anti-es-affect-your-cholesterollipid-profi...
Nolvadex is the only one shown to reduce cholesterol. Not the best in normal situations as estrogen control, but in your case. Aromasin better normally but rarely affects cholesterol, Accutane is not great, gonna have to get off the orals for a while I'm afraid. http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/mobileart-rx.asp?drug=accutane&monotyp...
I am interested in hearing more about your Ex Pat lifestyle.
What country did you make your home?
Costa Rica
That place sounds really sweet! They speak a fair amount of english and don't hate all Americans.
Whats the weather like today?
Sounds like you need to research what the side effects short and long term compounds do to your blood profile and body. A lot of these answers could come from researching and reading. I'm by no means advanced but I damn sure know what I'm putting in my body/how it works/ and what the effects be it positive and negative are. Gear isn't a short term fix my friend. Read, learn, educate yourself or you will end up fucked up like a soup sandwich.
Quick note: Not sure why all my old reviews are gone but I used to post here semi-regularly. Just moved on to other boards..... or maybe I used a different login.....really can't remember but this is the acct I got when I submitted my email.
Jerry is legit and just trying to get some help. He asked me about this board since he already had an account and checked out Censored I told him it would be fine - a lot of smart guys here.
I did not read every post but I will quickly try to fill in some blanks for him.
TRT: We are both X-Pat Vets living in Latin America - There are a lot of wellness centers that prescribe HRT here at levels I personally would not suggest-HGH as well and Test is OTC. Whats done is done. So yes - he is self proscribed TRT at this point.
I have been on HRT for over 2 years myself with a Nat 234 and take 150mg. weekly to stick around 900. Jerry told me he did the same - not sure why he posted 250. His junky ass test is 250mg/ml but he only takes .5ml weekly.
I looked at his pre-bloods and his liver enzymes were border high and got him on Live52 and then gave him some TUDCA soon after. I got some NAC for him too now since I saw his new test. Never messed with Accutane so hopefully dropping that and reducing the protein powder will help. I got some milk thistle as well. Personally I bought this stuff long ago but never needed it.
Warned him about the protein powder - he "was" doing over 150g. I typically do 50-75 a day when training with no adverse affects.
His BF looks about 18% max 20%.
When his bloods just came back I told him to come here for help as I was unsure why he was so toxic with Liv52/Tudca - high E taking 1mg E3D of dex, (Caps) and high in Cholesterol (His HDL is 41 - Taking Fish oil and Chia Seed which works great for me but did not bump him at all)
If it helps, blame it all on me as I gave him the Var 5 weeks ago and have "some" experience here -
Semper Fi
no source naming in the forums. Read the rules.
Sorry MOD..... I just re-read and did not catch where I cited a source.
EDIT: NM - I saw what you censored - my bad
RustyhookerSo youre both fake as far as being on trt. You're naming sources and vouching odd crap while living who cares where.
Sounds like both yall are the same person. Both full of bs. Nothing dude said jives. 250 is a cycle...not trt.
It would be EZ to write a decent flame ..... but why bother?
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Semper Fi
RustyhookerExactly. ...scamper camper
/Yawn
RustyhookerGood that you cut that Powdered protein back. Hope its replaced with lean meats.
5 weeks at 500....1700 test is really low. Estro is high
Whats your bf%%% ?????
Accutane is poisonous. Then you add var. Stop both.
Answers needed before info gets dropped. Something is very off here.
Do how you was in trt for 2 years And this is your very first cycle?
U recently stopped accutane (isotretinoin)...thats good....anxious to see bw w/o accutane....good post
Here is the OP's stats:
Age: 47
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 185 lbs
BF:?
Please post these up in future when asking for advice.
Why are you particularly worried about a cholesterol going to 251. What's your reference range. I though over 500 was considered a high. Also what are your HDL and LDL numbers and how have these moved. All good advice below and cholesterol control. I would add that I have had good success with Red Yeast Rice. High quality fish oil containing good quantities of EPA and DHA is helpful too. When I'm running cycles (especially long ones or including orals) my cholesterol always gets affected. I try and keep the total level in range but my profile of HDL and LDL can get a bit out of whack. It's a risk and part of the game. It's always returned to normal quickly (6 weeks or so) for me after stopping cycle. You're on TRT so this is a bigger concern for you I agree.
Also agree those estro numbers are way too high and need to come down quick. I too prefer aro and would start this as 6.25mg ed for a couple of weeks then test again. It it's still not down to sub 50 increase dose to 12.5mg ed. if it's gone down to below 20 decrease dose to 6.25mg eod. You get the picture.
Look into TUDCA to help with your liver function. I would have been running this before day one given the accutane and plan to run an oral. Milk thisle and NAC can be of benefit too from a detoxification perspective. You can find single on cycle support sups containing red yeast rice, saw palmetto (prostate), hawthorn berry (cardio vascular/BP), milk thisle, NAC and a few other otc things that may benefit you for fairly cheap. The TUDCA is bought separately.
Lastly why cut the protein back so much. Your doing yourself s great disservice here. I wouldn't take in less than 250g of protein per day and that's on a cut. Much more if I'm trying to bulk. Stay away from processed protein (so powders and bars etc.) and eat natural whole food sources of protein. As your worried about cholesterol then chicken/turkey breast, fish and the occasional lean cut of red meat is what you are after. Zero percent Greek yoghurt for snack etc. Maybe one scoop of a decent whey protein post workout. Do yourself a favour and get that protein intake back up. And when you say low carb how low is low? And why? What's the plan for this cycle? Cut, bulk? And how's your training regime look like?
Good luck fella.
Thats useful advice Dacky.. Thank you
In terms of Liver de tox is it better to use a combination of products or stick with one? Meaning should i stick with TUDCA or continue TUDCA with Liv 54?
Next cycle i will pay particular attention to Liv enzymes before start of cycle and completely detox beforehand.
My BP is normal.
Since starting TRT I have always experienced some sort of night sweat. The sweat is not continuous much more like a pre sleep night sweat. I can drench a pillow right at the onset of falling asleep. Any thoughts on this?
My Cholesterol levels were as follows:
16 October 2015 pre cycle
TEST 760 (T3 3.3) (T4 .90) (TSH 3rd Gen .791)
Estrogen 81.5
COLESTEROL TOTAL: 229
HDL COLESTEROL: 45
LDL COLESTEROL: 168
VLDL COLESTEROL: 16
TRIGLICERIDOS: 78
NITROGENO UREICO: 15.7
CREATININA: 1.0
TRANSAMINASA PIRUVICA (TGP/ALT): 68
Blood test mid cycle November 15 2015
TEST 1644
ESTROGEN 116
COLESTEROL TOTAL: 251
HDL COLESTEROL: 41
LDL COLESTEROL: 189
VLDL COLESTEROL: 21
TRIGLICERIDOS: 107
TRANSAMINASA PIRUVICA (TGP/ALT): 181
TGO/AST 85.5
Thanks for posting the bigger picture re bloods. Can you post the reference ranges and units of measure for these tests? I'm UK based and we use different reference ranges and units of measure. There are a host of questions posed about what's going on with your "TRT" and test/estro blood levels so I am not going there. Your alt and ast levels are significantky raised and have gotten worse - that alt level is pretty worrying from my perspective. Not unexpected given two hepatoxic drugs - accutane and anavar. You've already stopped the accutane so my suggestion is stop the anavar too. Run TUDCA, Liv 52, Milk Thisle and NAC for at least 8 weeks and test a couple of times throughout to see if these levels come down. I can't comment on your lipid profile without the reference ranges but they're deteriorating. Your situation is complicated by this "TRT" you're on. If you were cycling on and off. I would say stop and PCT. get your liver function back to normal, your lipid profile in check and your esto levels normalised. To be honest this is beyond me to advise on further. Good luck.
Thanks dacky.
I miss posted some info at the beginning of the thread and your right, A lot of questions were brought up.
Im pretty clear on what I need to do.
I appreciate you clear and very mature response to my posts.
Thanks.
J
When does your doctor draw bloods or should I say how many times a year? Did your pcp put you on trt or is it self prescribed?
TRT was prescribed by my PCP due to lower than average test levels. My natural test is around 400.
While on TRT I do blood work every 6 months. While cycling I do blood work at pre, mid and post cycle. This is my very first cycle so Im working the details out as I go.
Im mostly concerned about the elevated liver enzymes as lived a very fast life in the 80's and 90's. Im hoping I can get some solid advice on how to cycle with VAR orals and also maintain healthily enzyme levels.
400 is not low enough for trt, like cbburr said tell the truth, your numbers do not add up at all especially high estro numbers. Any pcp or endo would see that and even an idiot one would have put you on something. 250 a week for 2 years is my 1st warningsign, estro was the second. so your pcp saw no warning signs when he pulled your bloods? Is your pcp the guy you see in the mirror?
Hello all.
No foul play going on here. I am who I say I am. Let me clarify. Two years ago started TRT with a local doc that specializes in wellness, specifically TRT amongst other things like HGH. My original T levels were in the 400 range. I was prescribed 250mg per week Test and my T levels ranged around 1000-1200. At the onsalught I was buying my T from my docs office. His own brand. Was costing me $387 for a 10ml bottle. As I became a little more knowledgeable about the treatment I stopped buying his T and found another source online with much better pricing. Maybe I jumped the gun posting the name of the product and the website but I'm only posting the facts. As soon as I went with another brand T my levels dropped dramatically. Maybe I received a bad batch of T? Maybe my body is reacting differently than before to T? I dont know. Thats why Im here. To educate myself. I dont work with this doctor anymore for two reasons. #1.. I feel it is very expensive and # 2 he will not help me with any other methodologies for building more muscle. At this point I am doctor-less. So with that being said I will turn the board over and let you all do your magic and help me out with my situation. I can post my blood work for the last two years if that is helpful.
The 1st thing you need to is go see your doctor, your cholesterol level is dangerous and you are a walking heart attack right now. Once you done that we can lay out your next approach, since you have been cycling for 2 years recovery might be non existant at this point. Cut ALL cholesterol out of your diet immediately at least for the next few weeks. Also your dose is way too high so go see an endocrinologist and tell him what you have been on for the past 2 years. Your health is at extreme risk. Reduce that dose and do these things or you might end up having a stroke.
Note taken Irishmack.
RustyhookerSelf prescribed and 250 is a cycle. Now your health is in jeopardy.
Thank you Rustyhooker.
thats 400mg pr month more than what i am running......... i am holding fast @240lb now, thats lighter than usual but only to be expected.... diet is pegged and the scale is solid.
Rustyhooker^^^^^^this. And in lieing 250 per week is typically a cycle in itself. Another reason cholesterol is wonky.
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you are correct. I overlooked that number. His pcp would have dropped that dose until cholesterol came under control. There quite a few legit trt guys who know their shit here. Im waiting for vhman to chime in.
RustyhookerBingo!
KX, if you are doing your own TRT you can tell us. It's not that big of deal.
Bro, your dr has you on some weak ass Testosterone. 250mg a week and 800ng/dl? that's quite low
And 500 a week only getting you to 1700ng/dl? Also seems really low
RustyhookerTeach him. Also, other day a "25" year old wanted self prescribed trt claiming 400. He's disappeared after folks tried to tell him he's making errors.
Possible same dude with more fake stats. +2
X2...a lot of info seems off for some reason?
I'm not sure what to think.... His brand of test that he posted is one that is purchased from INT sources, not from a pharmacy.
Bro, i know youre new here, so let me save you some hassle.
edit out the brand name of the test you use, it's one of the big rules here on eroids. You can only talk about the brands of gear in the source page for that brand.
You also cant name or discuss sources on the main board, just on the source's own page.
Thanks for the heads up. appreciate it.
ya I agree.. Im going to use it up on this cycle and not buy that product again.
BlackOPS317Your estrogen is way too high and most likely not helping with your cholesterol levels. Get your estrogen under control to under 40. Try taking the AI EOD and get bloods done again. How many eggs were you consuming daily? Eating 2 eggs per day should not be an issue and watch your saturated and trans fats as they will contribute more towards high cholesterol than consuming cholesterol itself. Orals are harshest on your liver and will also contribute to higher cholesterol levels, even anavar which is supposedly mild.
Thanks Derek
I have access to Aromisin, Tomoxifen and Nolvadex. Any preferences?
What do you think about my 1mg dose eod of Anastrazole?
Hopefully its the Estrogen that is affecting my cholesterol.
BlackOPS317Also, for cholesterol you can take 500mg slow release niacin ED with 4,000 iu vitamin D3. Good brand is slo niacin and you can take up to 1000mg ED. My doc put me on both and it has helped tremendously. My old doc had me on lipitor and my new one took me off it and put me on OTC products which have worked better for me.
Thanks. I'll give that a shot and report back in a week or two.
BlackOPS317For an AI I prefer to use aromasin. Adex caused me to have high BP and didn't work very well. I was using 12.5mg per day, but have since backed down to 6.25 ed and its working great. Aromasin is also less harsh on cholesterol and some studies I have read it has even improved cholesterol. Tamoxifen and nolvadex are the same and usually only needed when you see or feel gyno coming on. Dosing is different for everyone so only blood tests or monitoring how you look and feel is the only way to know how much and how often you should take.