+ 6 TrustGh red top serum and YK 11 post bloods
10 ius IM delt 3.75 hrs red tops 6.7 serum. Vials are not vacuumed sealed. Hgh peptide takes forever to dissolve if not swirled. Done 10 ius for 3 days and no sides.
Female hormone pulled 5 days post stopping Rad 140 & YK 11 to see how they effect test, LH, FSH. As you can see testosterone is low but LH and FSH look good. I feel good. Blood experts weigh in on this for me please. Since LH and FSH are good does this mean I've recovered and have low test, or did the YK 11 and rad 140 lower my testosterone serum and keep LH and FSH normal.
I will say that the rumor that YK 11 is hepatoxic is false, liver enzymes look good and this was with me drinking about 2/5 ths vodka on the weekends.
E2 is low same as when i did bloods on the same sources ostarine and s4. I know the YK 11 was legit because I've ran it from a different source with same results. Only thing I can think of is this research peptide source is either adding letro into the suspension or the rad 140 he sent could have been letro. All i know is the YK was good because I've used another source to compare it to, other than he could have had letro added in with it. I'm not on cycle and I've not taking an AI since my last cycle 6 months ago
Going by blood work x 2 and no other explanation I will state that the reasearch chem company is shady and his liquid suspensions that he sales aren't as advertised.
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bigwillyfor what its worth, you guys know, im not an expert and don't but in much but I will say this. any reputable doctor will never order a gh serum test, they just assume the gh the patient is using is real, the only tests done are igf1 levels to see if the dose needs to be adjusted.
blood serum levels wernt aren't and never will matter, even if the gh is trash you may still get a decent reading, if its good you may not get a good reading.
like it or not the serum level testing is being done away with, and for good reason, its useless !!
KIG, if you feel good about the supplier youd be better off putting the effort into igf1 testing, long and short term. but id never tell ya whats best for your biusness, just a suggestion my friend.
5IUs - 505 ng/mL
https://www.eroids.com/pics/angtropin-igf-505
4ius - 413 ng/mL
https://www.eroids.com/pics/igf-1-angtropin-green-top
GH Serums: 9.5 / 16.5 / 27 ng/mL
MegaT posted a link showing :
5ius - 30ng/mL to 80ng/mL
I guess AngTropin is some type of new peptide mix O_0
KIG hasn't pulled one IGF1 on how many test kits? He's wasting these members time. There's no science behind his testing method. Sorry
Maybe all the testers are "Low Responders" :/
bigwillyExactly, serum levels from one shot have never mattered. Again, even trash will show good some times.
Does anyone else not see how "all over the board" these serums are. I know you do BW. So what is there now, only 2 "good"
results out of how many kits tested.
Four different DK Blue Kits tested had 4 different serum results
According to KIGs interpretation of GH Serums he has some crappy, inconsistent GH Sources with all these test results, no?
Or is it the GH Serums that are inconsistent and maybe these kits are GTG.
bigwillyBro I still beleive the only real way to test gh is to run it for 90 days, 120 days, keep detailed photos and notes of physical changes. Close up pics of your eyelids and such.
As iv said in the past, the skin brotha, the skin won't lie. Also thickening of finger nails, NOT nails growing fast but actually thicker nails. I just think people are to diferent for science to come up with a universal protocal for testing gh. Physiologically humans are wacked, my god, to many egg yolks can fuck up a serum test,hahahahahahahaha. Then I wonder if a human can even benifit from igf1 levels of 650s,lol
I agree ive spent alot if cash for these tests thats why i came to you about cheaper testing i was payin 79 a test it adds up pretty quick
Wtat I don't trust is what's to say these tester kits are dosed correct and actually legit he gets a bunch of blood test posted for him on these tester kits and people see this and in turn gets a shit load of orders and then quality goes down or yet worse there bunk. NOT SAYING THIS SRC WOULD DO THIS. But people need to take theses test with a grain of salt and be wise and make smart choices . There's my 2 cents
Anonthe tests need to be done at random times with source not knowing when his product is going to be tested
Agree 200%
P2i2tyou are absolutely correct, this very well could happen. But again look what happened with the angtropin. he searched around and tested until he found those that he was happiest with. Now they have been on the shelf for a long time and have been getting continuous great results without any complaints so far. Not saying that people shouldn't still keep what you said into consideration, but it seems as though the method has worked before for him so let's hopeit continues to work.just being optimistic that's all
This confuses me. He searched for AngTropin and tested them? Even though I didn't follow the "protocol" exactly, my results for AngTropin GH Serum were:
9 ng/mL
10.5 ng/mL
This guys AngTropin GH Serum results were:
16.9 ng/mL
https://www.eroids.com/pics/gh-serum-results-of-angtropin-with-igf-1-res...
KIG would have passed on this? No?
Didn't KIG have member 'BigKountry' do an IGF1 on AngTropin (500+ IGF1)
So why all these GH Serums?
SIMEC MS/HPLC results for AngTropin:
6mgs (17.5 IUs)......but GH Serum was only 9-10.5 ng/mL
Elevated, but Low GH Serum results....Very High IGF1 results. An Accredited Lab confirmed HGH and not IGF1 Pep
$60 Lab Corp GH Serum Test VS €590 SIMEC MS/HPLC (purity % / Mg/IU)
P2i2tPm sent explaining better
:)) It was more a general comment.
AnonAng get 10ng serum because you did not use 1 vial and 3.5hours
Another guy get 16.9, i think he is a low responder
If test ang use correct serum level test protocol, how come to below 20ng?
I trust serum level still a good way to tell gh dose!
SIMEC Results : 17.5 IUs/vial
So I was really injecting more than 6ius (9-10IUs apprx)
But it doesn't matter....GH Serums are not reliable
All your testers GH Serum confirms it
Sorry
My Ang IGF1 reflects "Dose" or "strength"
Another IGF1 taken 1-2 weeks later using the same dose, my results should be >680ng
GH Serum cannot determine the quality or potency of HGH. This is a common misconception often mentioned on bodybuilding forums. HGH serum levels will not tell you "how strong" the growth hormone is
GH Serums - 9ng 16.5ng 27ng
SIMEC - 17.5 IUs
How can you trust the dose KIG?
KIG.....I've provided 2 Seperate Accredited Labs that say your GH Serum testing is flawed my friend......see that's the problem.....your messing with vague blood work while I'm using Real Lab Analysis with accurate results. I think you are relying on other Steroid Forums for (Bro) Science....."Low Responder"?
What if these guys testing your kits are "Low Responders?
How will you know what's a "good kit"??
According to your testing methods, AngTropin is a HGH and IGF1 mix
(Low GH Serum/ High IGF1)
Im just trying to help buddy...you're peeing in the wind with these GH Serum tests
Because GH Serum Testing isn't accurate when determining Mg/IU (dose)
It's not a SIMEC MS/HPLC Test (Mg/IU)
Are you trying to find a kit that's dosed at 20ius using GH Serums???
AnonSir, i know you are try to help and try to find a trusted way test gh.
your answer is: test it purity and dose. i totally agree with you that.
but you say the serum level is no meaningful, i don't agree.
2years before, i tested a maufactuer(i didn't tell manufactuer i will test it, i just ordered from that manufactuer) products, which was 4iu vial, and 10iu vial,
I have 10 ppl test 4iu vials and 10 ppl test the 10iu vials. the results totally didfferent.
the 4iu vials get about 10ng or low....
the 10iu vials get serum level 17-25ng... i don't know why ppl can get crazy high numbers like 70ng.. but very less ppl get this high number. i didn't see any ppl get lower than 15ng at the 10iu vials.
so i believe the dose do make difference on the serum level.
i find there are many products recently(from last year), LOW SERUM LEVEL, HIGH IGF LEVEL., i don't know whats this, but when i search and read all the posts, ppl say its igf and gh mixed gh. i also heared one of a manufacturer said about this, they say can make it.
Use the correct protocol, 10iu/3.5hrs, the angtropin will not get low serum level. if you don't trust me, test it any time.
At last , even though i trust you the serum level is no meaningful, but the buyers don't trust it. send 1vial sample to test purity and dose, very easy. but if we get this products for sale, ppl buy it and test the serum level, if its high, all is ok, but if its low, then ppl start to complain fake products.. they don't trust me the products test purity or dose, and they don't test it too.
so my first step, i need test the serum level first, igf level second, purity and dose at last test,
My english weak, i hope you can understand me.
Kig maybe we should just pull igf and serum at the same time. Correct me if I'm wrong Hailrazor but you've found that igf levels rise to optimal levels as quick as 5 days. If this is correct we could just do serum and igf test at the same time after using the product 1 week.
HnP, you understand all this better than most. I feel like KIG thinks I'm "against him" (I'm not). You guys are taking the time to go to LabCorp, etc.....but only doing GH Serum.....I think KIG is stuck on 'old school' methods.....
Norditropin testing protocol:
5-6IUs will "peak" (saturation/constant peak) after apprx 8 days (IGF1)
Norditropin Test:
Elevated Mg/IU - Elevated IGF1
I did a similar protocol on my last testing (6IUs ED for 8-10 days) ..I guess most don't understand?
Ok thanks. I'll try and talk with kig. I don't think he thinks your against him, he is doing what he thinks is popular demand by his customers. Until the customers perception on the results are changed kig's hand are kinda tied. I can see his reasoning behind it all. But we can all work together to make a more appropriate protocol for testing GH
From my view of all this.....it's entertaining (yet scary) to see how easily "we" are (mis)lead and (mis)(un)informed because most only scratch the surface for information (Google). GH Serum information is only the tip of it. But that's a Topic for a whole different forum.
NOTE:
The Norditropin test uses an IU/kg ratio. So the IGF1 can only reflect Mg/IU dose. We can't get stuck on the 'numbers' of the Blood Work results to determine EXACT Mg/IU dose.
Right. It will need to be sent for analysis also.
Without doing a MS/HPLC...you have no way of proving that
You're getting your information from Steroid Forums (BroScience) Same Forums saying IGF1 takes 4 weeks to elevate.
Now that, I totally understand because of all the misinformation on Steroid Forums
GH Serums are not meaningless.....just not accurate. IGF1 can be used more accurate. Member 'GorillaFit' figured this out long ago when he was doing testing for you
That used to be true but you will find this is changing rapidly.
rocketballzWhy doesn't Kig just send a bottle of each of these colored tops of whatever to Simec labs. Seems tbats the accepted lab around here and they give actual purity concentration. A lot easier and cheaper than sending out a bunch of free kits. My 2 cents.
Maybe he will when he finds the kits he is comfortable sending idk. It's his dime. I've mentioned before to him that igf test is more of an indicator of the GH potency but he didn't reply back about it. I'm sure he knows and has his reasoning behind it all.
I have a feeling there is some shady shit going on with all of these Trust GH serum tests. Maybe one of you all should clue us in.
I look at it this way. He sent me two "free kits" to test which each test is like $60. So I may get a decent kit or two for helping get test done but most importantly for me I get a better idea of how my body responds to serum test and igf test.
What do you mean? Were just testing what he sends he wants consistant high serums no welts or irritation than he wants ifg1 pulled if it passes that stuff first so far we havent put the first part together to get to the igf1 part
They why is he peeling labels off the bottles sent out...what's there to hide?
P2i2tI'm sure it's for security reasons. He doesn't want the exact manufacturer and exact brand put out there because when all the good tests come back for a specific kind who's to say another source doesn't see those posted and turn around and make a deal with that manufacturer and get a jump on selling those kits before kig does. it is his time and money spent on these tests. It wouldn't be fair for another source to be able to see exactly what is being tested and get a jump on what is a good product to sell on a different sources dime.
I really dont know
What are you implying Darth? I've tested for kig once before and he didn't like the serum # so he didn't want me to follow up with igf. He wanted some people to test again recently as you can tell he's trying to find a top knotch GH and vendor. I just test these for him, what's shady about that idk. Enlighten me on what you think is going on.
What are you receiving for testing?
Just a kit and then if he wants igf pulled he says he will send another. I'm not coming out bigtime on the kit cause I have to pay for test and drive 3 hrs round trip just to get blood drawn, kind of a hassle. He's never initiated anything shady toward me on his part, I can't speak for others though, but he seems like a straight shooter to me.
Well at least you thought better and admitted you are receiving at least one kit for testing. You guys doing tests with freebie (for testing) gear need to start specifying that with these tests. It isn't like anyone is accusing anybody of altering tests or falsifying them in any way but in the interests of disclosure people should know the source purposely sent you all these kits for testing and they may or may not be the same as they are mass shipping.
I agree. I just assumed most everyone knew these were free kits given to test. When I recieved the kit I posted up the kit and titled it tester kits, which implies that it was given free to be tested by me. I've seen other members that are testing for kig do the same, not all but most. I don't think anyone is trying to be dishonest here, kig has found some honest testers through trial and error. I know last time months back he had a lot of guys take the kits and never heard back from them.
P2i2tSame reason I always label my titles as "test kits for kig" or similar. And I make sure to put that "kig sent me these for testing". We are only doing what is asked. I have to drive two and a half hours each way everytime I go test. Plus paying for the test. and I work Monday through Saturday when the labs are open so I have to take a half of a day off of work each time as well.So it's not like the kit is completely free.not even close. but I give him credit for not just picking any random kind to sell and actually spending money out of his pocket and the time to have people test theseso we know when they are actually put on the shelf they are tested and proven.
Yeah we're just trusted members trying to help validate this GH for kig and the community. Like you it is more of a do I have the time to run around and do blood work. I guess it's good that Darth is questioning these test so it can be spelled out for some, I just took it for granite that everyone knew that's following the testing.
The main reason for all of this is integrity of the site bro. Plus the other I guy I checked really went off the rails which inspired me to twist the screw a little deeper,lol. And I tell you, I lose a lot of respect when a guy sneaks in in the middle of the night and deletes his post. Man up Irongame..SMH
So he did delete his post. Thanks I was wondering what happened to it.
rocketballzDamn bro your natty was in the mid 600's not long ago so it looks like something is surpressing test production. The LH signal is being sent but the balls don't seem to be producing as much test. I'm guessing it was one of those peps or sarms? Give it some time and it should come back, but full disclosure..I am no medical or bloods expert lol. I got blood work coming soon after a standard pct w/ostarine as per out convos. Thanks for posting!
Yeah I wanted to post these to show people YK 11 is suppressive, I could tell while I was using it. Although test is low I feel good and am bouncing back. Bloodwork was 5 days after I stopped the Sarms so yes I was still suppressed but you can see LH and FSH are already in normal range, and hopefully test serum levels will be back up in a few weeks.
RustyhookerYour research has been thorough and definitely leading the way on this board. Ive avoided most peptides simply because it's new to me and not thoroughly investigated in my research or use.
You're bringing great things to eroids sir...high five!
Thanks Rusty much appreciated bud.
Thanks for posting +1
Yeh bro that is a good bit of vodka brother
Yeah I'm cutting it out brother, not a problem. Thanks for looking out.
PallMallYou drink 2 750ml bottles of vodka on the weekend?
That is very alarming and extremely worrying.
Not all the time and not all at once, over a 3 day period, and I'm not on cycle. Obviously it's not that much my liver values look fine.