Muscle Atrophy after Cycle - High Estrogen?
fouled up and ran an 8 week cycle of Anavar 25mg/Winstrol 25mg/Proviron 25mg (2 in AM and 1 in PM) WITHOUT an AI and no PCT supplies on hand. I was grossly misinformed and clearly didn't do my research and listened to my friend who said O don't worry, these are mild and don't convert so you really don't need an AI on this stuff (lol right!). Anyway...
I stopped taking everything yesterday because I noticed over a week span I started to lose all my gains and experienced muscle atrophy (severe decline of muscle mass/volume/definition). I went from looking shredded, to rounded, bloated and disgusting, with some mild forehead acne and fat gain almost within a week's time. Also, my erections aren't hard and I have a 'hard' time keeping an Erection when aroused. But my sex drive is still high as it usually is. Also my hair seemingly is coming out more than normal, and I'm slightly out of it mentally with focus and irritable.
I'm going to get bloodwork done in 2 days but the issue is I am supposed to go on vacation (out of the country) later that night for 10 days!
My questions to the experienced are:
With estrogen (most likely) overtaking my body this quick and causing these issues, how long would I need to run PCT to combat this? And would I do an AI and a sarms (think I spelled right)?
Has anyone ever heard of or personally themself not had AI during a cycle and no PCT ready and lost all their muscle mass/definition? And how long did it take of PCT or down time to recover and get body back in check with normal estro and test levels?
Should I cancel my vacation with the idea I probably need to wait at least 2 days after bloods for doctor to prescribe whatever meds I need? (I have no source for Clomid, Nolvadex, arimidex, HCG, etc. and am praying the doctor will write me what I need).
Is there anyway a doctor would write a script for the things I need after being straightforward about what I did and what my symptoms are now? (I.e. anyway I could get a prescription filled on Monday so I can hop on proper PCT and save my body, versus cannceling trip, or even worse going on trip and extending my condition out even further)?
What results/numbers are are looking for in the test results? I'm 34, male, 184, 5'11.
I stopped ALL supplements today, even the over the counter DIM / PCT stuff I had in case it throws off the bood test. But after the test, IF I can't get PCT supplies, should I hop on that stuff and double dosage perhaps? (I also have Proviron available too).
Now I see why the veteran guys on this site always emphasize the urgency/need to make sure you have your PCT in HAND before beginning a cycle. Ugh!!! Live and learn I suppose, but hope I didn't destroy my body. Disgusted with myself and the loss of gains and poor decision making/misinformed choices I made during this cycle.
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the winstrol is what go you, 8 weeks in winny is a stretch for some, especially me. i cant tolerate winny for more than 4 weeks. you definitely need a good pct at this point. a standard pct, and you will need an anti estrogen low dose most likely. you are describing estrogen sides in your post, bloated and acne are typical for estrogen. if you PM i can you walk you through it. send me an friend request, and ill give you all the info you need. oh id mention, its extremely unlikely a general practice doc would write you any script, they typical chide you and refer you to endocrinology for follow up. im not saying all do but in my experience its rare to find one that will do anything about it.
i would highly recommend anastrozole right now, as you have very little experience with AI or sarms and arimidex can be very unforgiving if you crash your estrogen. id also suggest a toremifene and nolva PCT.
id start right away at 1mg anastrozole, than in 3 days go to .5mg E3D while keeping a a close eye on low estrogen sides so you dont crash your estrogen. I would do 100mg of toremifene daily for the first two weeks than 50mg for the final two weeks along with 40mg of nolvadex daily for the entire 4 weeks. again keep a close eye on estrogen. research low and high estrogen symptoms on here to get familiarized. im sorry if am missing anything i am in a rush. FR me and than ill pm you so we can get it all straightened out. plus id like to fully go over your current physical sides and possible hormone related symptoms so we know exactly the best approach
Wow! This is incredibly helpful. I'm trying to figure out how to FR and PM you now. Thanks so much for your time! I'm actually sitting in tbe waiting room of the endo doctor because the general doctor did just what you said!!
Sounds like you're shutdown. Better PCT asap. Estrogen may be high, but your symptoms sound like you are not producing test.