posted Fri, 08/07/2015 - 18:24
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nandrolone and gyno
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I love how I felt on npp, strength was up, felt great. I had to stop because gyno started to set in. I used arimidex .5 Ed and this happened around week5-6. Played with dosages and I had to drop the npp to get under control. I loved how I felt, is there anyone who had the same problem? Maybe using nolva with AI during cycle? Only using nolva during cycle? Aromsin during cycle? I am just curious as to what others have used in order to control gyno from nandrolones because it was amazing how I felt. Thanks
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Ok so I ran nandrolone with test only. I ran my AI so my estradiol was around 20 at all times confirmed by bloods. Nips started getting very sensitive to where they would hurt rubbing on the inside of my shirts and when I would roll over at night and they would rest on my arm the pain would wake me up. Threw caber in the mix at .25mg twice a week. Kept AI dosage the exact same and within a few days the sensitivity was gone. I've seen the studies and debates saying AI is enough and gyno can't happen if E2 is in control etc but it's just not true in the real world for everyone.
Gearhead has you covered on that info
Thanks for personal experience. I will definitely get bloods Wk 3 Next go around because man do I love me some npp. I did read plenty studies going both ways, this is why I wanted to ask for peoples personal experience so I would have living proof of what has worked and not Scientific theory or BRO science.
Thanks again to everyone for all input GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!
Bro, don't get sucked into this endless debate about progestins and progesterone / prolactin based gyno associated with the use of 19-nor based compounds like nandrolone. BTW, nandrolone is another name for 19-nortestosterone pure. You will read volumes and volumes of arguments that in the absence of estrogen prolactin cannot rise so with the simple use of an AI you will be immune to the ravaging effects of deca and tren based gyno. Bottom line: I don't care what the fuck anybody says and what level of expertise they claim they have - ALWAYS run a dopamine agonist (DA) like caber or bromo or prami when you run any 19-nor like npp, deca, tren, MENT or whatever. You will be getting expensive estimates from your plastic surgeon to correct this imaginary gyno problem that just can't happen. Dig? You will be lactating with milky brown colored junk oozing from your nips with fresh new glandular breast tissue surrounding them. DO NOT EVER EVER LET SOMEONE TELL YOU NOT TO RUN A DA. Also, run an AI as well and check E2 and keep it down - this is critical as well.
Ur advice and input is always spot on bro ur great asset to this site
Thanks bro, I know you mean that when you say it. Now if you could just help the judges see how great I am so I can get my dang pro card, I would be so happy. I have tried 4 times and and November will be my 5th attempt. Prob is I'm now competing as a super heavy and I'm only 5' 9" - Do the NPC judges take bribes, kickbacks and mafia payoffs? I do know some people, maybe I should work that avenue a little. LMAO
Buy them hookers lol u will get it soon bro keep us posted
Thanks for reply. I definitely didn't want to argue only hoped people could chime in on what had worked for them in gyno prevention because NPP is a new compound I have to learn how to properly use. Thank you for your personal input. Greatly appreciated!
Bro, what I said goes for eroids as well. DO NOT LET ANYBODY ON THIS WEBSITE - I DON'T CARE IF THEY HAVE 5,000 KARMA TELL YOU NOT TO RUN A DA WITH NANDROLONE.
I only have 50 something karma and I can tell you from personal experience that YOU DO NOT HAVE TO RUN A DA WITH 19 NORS!
Bro, that is terrible advice. It's the worst kind of advice there is. You have not yet experienced a prolactin problem when running 19-nors so you now feel comfortable in making that general advice? You probably have never even run a prolactin blood level on 19-nors. Do you really think that your body is different and there isn't an amount or a duration of a 19-nor cycle that would cause you a problem?
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When we give advice here we talk about what is generally true for most people. Certainly there are things I have learned about my own body in the last 17 years of AAS use that I can get away with that most people can't. But I'm certainly not going to recommend that others try it. Even though it is my personal experience.
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What I advise is what is generally the safest course of action for most people. In the case of compounds that elevate prolactin, the safest course of action is to use something to control it - a DA. Do DA's produce uncomfortable sides in some men. Yes, they do. Out of the three most common DAs - most guys will find the one that is most comfortable.
Also will NEVER run 19-nor without CABER again. Thanks for the help
Thanks for the advice. My Caber I had must have been bunk, because ordered more and I have taken .5 e4d and my labido came back STRONG. Gyno was under control already with the use of letro.
Done. Again thank you for honest and helpful answer, this is why I posted and I'm glad I got the response I did. I do wish I had gotten bloods. Next time I will run caber from beginning and not wait for flare up. Again thank you because I Don't want any lactation or breast growth. It sounds like this should control gyno if I keep prolactin and estrogen under control. Thanks again
What were your test and npp doses?
100 npp 100 test p eod
Without bloodwork you really are just guessing at this point. Everyone's body is different. At just 50mg eod of Test P I have trouble with estrogen. I wish I could comment on your adex dosage but I just recently switched over to adex from aromasin so I don't have enough personal experience yet. I don’t care what anyone else on this site says, a Da is not a requirement for all 19nor cycles. Some people need them and some don't. Period end of story. You may just be one of those people who needs to run a Da? I personally don't need one, and quite frankly I hate the way I feel when I do run a Da. I ran Tren And Deca together in the same cycle and only ran 125mg a week of Test E, without using a Da and I had no lactation, gyno, or dick problems. Alot of people on this site will say that my dick should have fallen off and burst into flames, but that's just because they have no personal experience and are just repeating the some bullshit they read on the internet.
Thank you for personal experience.
Maybe research !! U must run caber or prami if ur going to run a 19nor smh u probably got gyno symptoms due to high prolactin.
How many cycles have u ran??
This was my first run with npp. All my stats are on my page. From my research I understand that that prolactin does NOT directly cause gyno, the elevated estrogen and prolactin is what does it. This is why I wanted to see what others have done. I see MANY taking caber/parami, if this is what people have used to combat, AI and caber/parami I'm all for it. I just want to know what people have actually done to combat that works. So please any information will help.
Thank you, I may try running Caber from the beginning , rather then keeping it on hand.
Yes bro u have to use caber if ur going to run a 19nor period there's no arguing that also ur test to npp ratio should 2:1.
Have u taken any blood test ?? And yes e2 & prolacting does cause gyno u need to dig more into ur research man I'm telling u this in a good way so u be prepared for the worst at all times.
Btw u didn't answer my question of how many cycles have u ran?? Be honest
That first sentence is complete horse shit parroted bro science.
Again first run with npp
Cycle history is in my page under cycles. However my great friend that sold me the stuff never told me about pct. Since I have made it home to eroids, pct all day and xtra on hand. I do need to update some information. No bloods this time around, I have begun to wk5 and after pct, not this time because when I was going to gyno kicked in freaked out and was doing what ever it took to get under control. Now no lumps itchy nips it settled quick once I dropped the npp.
Well ur great friend should of told U about running caber or prami while running a 19nor what u should of done is taken a blood test right away to actually see where ur levels where the reason we emphasize bloods is so that u can understand ur body. Be smart man always ask and if u don't get answers pm me as well as others don't run compounds without the proper amount of research and doing pct is not smart either I'm glad ur got ur pct stuff as that will always be beneficial for ur health and recovery
Thanks for reply and assistance
Yeah found out he was just after money. Without proper or man did I feel like crap and watch gains fade quick
No worries bro U will learn a lot here just always have an open mind most folks here will give u advice that's for ur benefit but some take it the wrong way and go against it.
Gearhead pretty much laid it down perfectly up top good luck man stay safe
Thank you for the help.
good bro.
Thank u sir =)