preface

Since my product godtropin landed on eroids, more and more members gave a try, and more and more blood tests came out, among those tests, gh serum: higher level is around 33, average level is around 25, lower level is around 18. And IGF1 level, highest is 662, lower is around 400, average is around 500. So far, the blood test are pretty good. And plus, more and more clients leave their real experience on my si page. They can feel the sides from gh, such as deep sleep, swollen hands, joint pain etc, and they get result after a few weeks, such as fat loss, faster recovery etc, and no one complain the quality of my gh

Problem came out

One of my client always share his real experience with my gh, he can feel the sides, he can see the result on his body, and he assumes that its high quality gh, and he is very satisfied with this gh.

One day he said to me that he would run a blood test, he feels great with this shit, he had confidence that he could get very high IGF1 level. But after he got the result of the blood test, he was depressed, his IGF1 is only around 90.he couldn’t believe it, coz he feel this shit works very well on him, but whats wrong with the IGF1 ? he showed this to me, I got shocked as well. Coz he use 10iu per day, it must be something wrong with it. So I asked him what he was taking during the time. So he told me some stuffs that he was taking

Research

With his labs and his stuffs he is taking, I asked some guys who are much more experienced on hgh, all of them think that it should be anti estrogen stuff that affect the IGF1 level.

So I started to research the anti estrogen and IGF1,then I found some studies about this

GH (Growth Hormone) is like a master hormone for tissue growth and fat regulation due to its own intrinsic qualities and its propensity to be converted into or trigger the production and release of Growth Factors. Of these Growth Factors, one of the best known in regard to muscle growth is IGF-1 (Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1).

As most are aware by now, IGF-1 is a powerful anabolic and anti-catabolic hormone. Whether in pre-contest mode or packing on the mass, the amount of circulating and stored IGF-1 an athlete maintains plays a powerful role in the results achieved. Obviously as IGF-1 levels decrease so does the potential for packing on the beef, and the amount of lean tissue lost during calorie-restricted periods increases as well.
check this out:
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/anti-estroge...

The negative of tamoxifen's action in the liver is its ability to suppress production of the peptide hormone IGF-1. IGF-1 is broken down from growth hormone and is considered to be more potent than growth hormone itself for the purposes of building muscle tissue. High IGF-1 levels make a big contribution to the process of building a better physique and the ability of tamoxifen to suppress IGF-1 levels is another reason why tamoxifen use tends to be disappointing for the purposes of building muscle mass. In fact, a recent study which showed a rise in total testosterone (they failed to measure free testosterone or levels of SHGB) and a reduction in IGF-1 levels after tamoxifen usage is a significant indicator as to why it can prove disappointing for the building or maintenance of muscle mass.
Check this :
http://www.predatornutrition.com/en/content/issues-with-using-tamoxifen-...

Tamoxifen did not affect basal GH secretion, but it decreased circulating IGF-I in 14 patients (82%) by an average of 90 ± 4 mcg/L, (p = 0.005), and normalized plasma IGF-I in 8 patients (47%). Total and bioavailable testosterone levels increased in all evaluable men (n = 8). Tamoxifen was well tolerated.
Check this :
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24243064

Conclusion:

Anti estrogen stuff affect a lot the IGF1 level. But the conversion of hgh to igf is only a small aspect of the benefits of hgh. You still can get benefits of the fat loss ,anti aging ,better recovery and good sleep etc But the amount of cell proliferation will be minimized due to the lack of igf. To counter this you would have to administer insulin with the hgh so that igf can form in the liver. But this is only necessary if the goal of using the hgh was muscle gain. Otherwise fat loss wont be affected and most people wouldnt even notice unless they had bloods to prove. Its a very small difference. Almost unnoticeable. Thats likely why he thought he would get 550 on igf.

Suggestion:

1, So guys, if u r on PCT, pls don’t waste your money on IGF1 test.

2, In cases where a result is low, that's when you need to do the other test....so low gh serum, you need get igf1 to be able to analyze. Low igf1, you need get gh serum to analyze. They can both be effected. But often we will see 1 number low and the other high which indicates something effected the low result. Although if both low, it's still possible something effected both but very helpful to get both in those scenarios. ..that's why I proposed to get both tests done.

This is from my research and my opinion, if u guys find something wrong, pls let me know, Im glad to correct it.

Sorry for my poor English. Hope u guys could understand .