Test Anavar Cycle Critique
This will be my third cycle, although my first two were test only and about 10 years ago. I'm 37, 5'9", 175lbs, 12% BF. I'm looking to gain quality muscle and lean/dry out a bit. I've run test e at 400mg with good results and limited sides so i will be running it at that dose for 12 weeks, ending with anavar. I posted my base-line blood work and everything looks good. For mineral/vitamins i'm taking a multi, C, D3, vit E, Boron, Turmeric, Grape Seed, R-ALA, Silybum, Liv.52, Essential Forte, TUDCA, NAC, Cranberry Extract, Chitosan. Let me know if the timing and doses of everything looks good here especially start/stop of hcg and aromasin.. Should I expect to start aromasin earlier than week 3? I believe my last short of HCG should be 3 days prior to PCT, but wanted to confirm? Also will i likely need aromasin during first 14 days of pct?? One of the stickys on this forum suggested aromasin 14 days into PCT, then stop. I plan on getting blood work done mid-cycle to see how everything is... what is the ideal week to get that done? thanks in advanced.
Wk 1-12: Test E @ 400mg/wk
Wk 5-12: Var @ 50mg/day
Wk 3-15: Aromasin @ 6.25/day
Wk 2-14: (up to 3 days prior to PCT): 250/iu 2x/week
PCT
Wk15-18: Clomid/Nolva 100/40 (wk 15-16), 50/20 (wk17-18)
Wk 15-16: Aromasin 6.25 eod
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AnonGood work rusty
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RustyhookerThan ks big bro!! Couple cups of coffee and killer workout got the creative going.
RustyhookerOh.....aro is awesome but strong. I'd run bloods week 5 before adding aro in there.
Provi...sure! Un binds and helps with estro slightly
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OK thanks. Will Var slow down size gains made on test, is that why u suggest pushing it off another few weeks to get the most out of the test only portion of the cycle? Also, what's your opinion of adding proviron, 25mgs per day?
RustyhookerWeeks 12-14 you're not using short ester ed taper and the test is not gone from your body. Or those Two weeks is simply test gradually depleting.
Also, it unbind test. During cycle the bodies natural response to crazy high test levels is to RAISE sbh. Sex binding hormone grabs test and it's useless. Un binding thru reduced levels of sbh makes FREE test...available for the body to use.
Third...it's a basic cutter by layout if foods dictate that. Var is a hardener. Great for hard muscles and lean gains.
Var will not hinder gains. It's very anabolic. There's posts on its anabolic number but I've seen varied posts that it's near 6 times as anabolic as test.
Strength and recovery is very awesome if workouts are rugged as they should be and proteins/nutrients are in place. Pumps are insane! 50 mg split of top grade var for me is fine . 75 gives me cramps. Go by feel there as quality can be....iffy.
You're saying Var lowers sbhg? I read proviron frees up test by lowering sbhg, but didn't know that Var did as well. I've read that provi is not harsh on the liver and ALOT of people run it through out the whole cycle. If running var last 7 weeks, is adding proviron too much on the liver? I have tudca and essentiale Forte for liver sups to be used during Var portion of the cycle. Thanks for the input bro, appreciate it.
RustyhookerYour liver support should be more than enough. Again, bloods fill in your bodies mapping.
I'd run the provi week 4 til pct. Why? When does enanthate really begin boomin? ;)
Free test. The bonus to free test is that if you compared your blood tests this cycle versus a cycle without provi, there's a marked difference in free test. Enough of a change that some posted blood tests show your 400 mg cycle with provi being free test equal to someone running near 700mg without it. Most folks including myself run 25 am and 25 pm. With your cycle being mild the 25 should be fine.
Regardless, your gains are 100% food and gym reliant. My first cycle long ago was a huge 300mg pharma test. I kept 15 solid after pct.
Yeah I was thinking about dropping test to 300mg and adding proviron to see what I could get for gains with that combination... Thinking that since I haven't run a cycle in ten years my receptors would be clean and even with a lower dose of test at 300mg /week and proviron to free up test, I could still get great gains, with proper training and diet and keep sides to a minimum. ..at the same time I don't want to go to low on test and waste my time... U think 300mg with proviron is too low based on my situation? It sounds like u made great gains on it, although not sure what else your cycle included?
Rustyhooker400 to 500 with the provi and var should easily bump 10 lbs.
What's your routine in gym like?
How did you net 15 lbs on 300/wk? That's impressive. Lifting, I go heavy, mostly compound movements, squats, hacksqauts, sled, deadlifts, bench etc...try to keep volume up with 4 5 sets per excercise... But I turn 38 this year so I definitely don't recover as quickly as I used to and if I go more than 4 days a week my intensity declines... It's almost as if I need a day off after every day in the gym...I feel banged up if try to go more often than that. Hoping that will change when on cycle. I lift before work, so up at 530am, egg whites N oatmeal for breakfast, lifting from 630am-8am drinking carb drink during workouts which is about 400 calories. I'm a hard gainer, always pretty lean. Should I take proviron and anavar am on empty stomach or with food do you think?
RustyhookerI'm in 6 days a week at 44. 3 on...off...repeat. I don't think you're a hardgainer. You gotta up the intensity or you wind grow. Hard gainers at your height are shredded no fat year round. Up that intensity and you'll blow up.
Chest I'm hitting 6-8 sets with drops included. All angles. And then all angles Flys in there too. I never go below 8 reps on purpose. 12 reps with drops. When you can't hit 10...lower weight and drop set til all your sets are done. Hardcore pumps.
Legs 15 reps with drops. Huge muscles can't grow without real fatigue.
Oral always with meal
Thanks for insight. That's awesome, good for you.... Yeah I tend to go lower than you in reps and could up the intensity probably. I'll give it a try. Do u use this same workout routine on and off cycle? And are you hitting each muscle group twice a week? What are your stats? your obviously not 69 years old ha
RustyhookerI change workouts every 6 weeks. Will throw body into guessing mode. Pyramids and drops for 6..,2 weeks of forced reps or burnouts. Keep the body forced into change.
What have you found to be the most productive pct regimen?
RustyhookerClomid and Nolvadex for yours. No need in overkill. Pharma is tops. Research is you go ugl.
Thanks for all your insight.... Ever try gh? Was reading up on it.. Seems to be a good addition, even at low dose, long term, as well as higher doses during cycle. I need to read up on it alot more. Didn't know if you have any experience with it.
AnonI've been on it for about 3 years it will help drop bf and add some muscle but I will say everything is dose depending and how much you wanna spend
You buy cheap ass generic.... You may as well stick a match to your money... Same thing
I've seen a difference since I've been on gh
Good quality rest ... Some lower bf.... Some new muscle... The longer you run gh... The better
What made u go on gh? There is a member on here, Gearhead, has confirmed some legit ugl gh thru bloods.... Not sure what he was dosing it at, but the bloods Def showed high igf1. What r u dosing it at?
Not enought "bang in the buck" for me use GH anymore. Tried it and had some positive results but I can get the same body recomp results on diet alone. IMO that money is better spent on food.
RustyhookerNot yet. Pharma gh is outta my league. Lol
Yeah it's out of my league as well. Alot of people on here appear to use ugl...
RustyhookerI'd run that var 8-14 right up to pct. Test is still booming . Use it to the advantages.
Doesn't make sense to continue ARO at the same dosage in PCT. If you need 6,25mg/day when the aromatization level is 6x the normal (rough estimation for 400mg/week of test), why would you continue to take the same dosage and completely chash your estro in PCT. Don't just blindly follow the advice you see on various forums, question everything, research and than draw your own conclusions.
Also there is no need to go higher than 50mg Clomid and 20mg Nolva in PCT... Its always better to go 1 week longer instead of higher dose.
point take on the aro dosage during pct...i've read the aro dosage should be cut in half during first few weeks of pct, then stop... Are you saying that there is no need to go higher than 50mg for Clomid and 20mg for Nolva based on 400mg/wk of test? or in general, to never dose higher than 50mg and 20mg?
You can run ARO 1-2 weeks in your PCT, but cut doses to the minimum. And yes, these clomid/nolva dosages are more than enough for your cycle and most of the cycles in general.
AnonCycle doesn't look bad at all really.... But anavar at 50 mg I'm not sure will be huge effect ... For me I need at least 75 - 80 mg .... I think you are going in this cycle clean and it's been 10 years so I bet you do well with just testosterone
Drop the var and bump test
Medx is correct the proviron will free up test and give you a good sense of well being... That on feeling
I have enough var to go 70mg /day for 8 weeks. I have enough test to go 600wk for 12 weeks. I was trying to keep sides to a minimum as I have a professional job. A little nervous about proviron and hair loss too... I thought var was less apt to give sides and will harden u up.... Maybe I'm wrong... I like what I read about proviron, but isnt it hard on the hair line? What dose and what weeks should I run it... I read about people running it thru the whole cycle... I also read it's not toxic to the liver? Any insight is appreciated
hCG stops about 3 days prior to PCT, yes.
Look into using proviron to increase free test and balance SHBG. Start with lower dose of test...if u want. Whats your diet look like?
How low on the test. Diet is clean, 250+mg of protein /day, oats, brown rice, about 3,500 4000 calories day.... I don't see many cycles include proviron... Why do you suggest? Have you had good success with it freeing up test? If you keep estro under control with ai, won't shbg also follow suit, and remain under control... I thought I read on here that estro and shbg rise and fall together and by keeping estrogen in check, you will also keep shbg low.... If u look at my baseline bloods posted on here my estro and shbg were in normal range although on higher end of normal, so keeping both those under control is important to me...
Nice calories. You will gain some mass with that. I would suggest keeping your carbs around 100-200g/d, maybe just 100-150, depending on ur cardio status. And, maybe include a cheat diet food, like pizza one time out of the week. Macros for fat 120g/d. And, 12 wks for test. You need both AI and proviron, in my opinion. It just makes test work better, IMO. In fact, I wont use test again without proviron. I would say begin provi 25mg/d, if you do 400mg/wk, around wk 4. Some guys bridge with a lower dose of provi between cycles to keep free test elevated, of course based on bloodwork. I kill my estro with exemestane. I would rather have it closer to 40 than 30 on BW. Aim for 300 GRAMS protein per day and get 75% of 300g from natural food sources like chicken, eggs, beef, fish, nuts and grains Supplement with 2-3 protein shakes drinking slow throughout the day. And, i learned on here to restrict carbs after 1400hrs. Its hard. Cardio helps definition, too.
Thanks for the info MedDx. Why do you suggest proviron in week 4 vs week 1? Also, I see many people take it twice a day morning and night, but some also say it disrupts their sleep if they take at night. If I start with 25mgs, do you suggest taking in the morning?? I workout in the morning before I go to work so it might make sense, but it has a 12 hr half life, for this reason people try to keep it regulated in their system by splitting the dose up twice per day.
Also, my aromasin is dosed in 25mg tablets. What is your daily dosage of exemestane and do you have to cut up your pills to achieve your daily dose?
You've been off for ten years, so I would do another test run. Your body can change as to how it reacts to aas as you get older (it did for me). I don't see the var doing much for guy this run either. It's not a horrible idea, but it may be wasted this run. The rest looks pretty good.
Agreed....
Thanks for the response. Point taken on the test only... When you say the var won't do much this run, what do you mean... Or maybe I should ask why?
Var shines at below 10% body fat. You won't see much from it when you're above that.
Got it. Thanks. In what way did your body react differently to ass as you got older?
I started to aromatize at a much greater rate. I used to get away with hardly any AI, but now I need it on my trt dose.
Thanks for the response. Point taken on the test only... When you say the var won't do much this run, what do you mean... Or maybe I should ask why?
test- 1-12- 400mgs
var- 6-12- 50mgs per day
aromasin- 3-16- 6.25 ed
hcg- 1-13- hcg 250 iu 2x a week
pct- 15- 18- clomid- 100-100- 50-50 - nolva- 40-40-20-20- aromasin- 6.25 ed- 6.25 ed.
layed it out better for people to read.
thanks buddy, yea the formatting got funky on me after I posted. i tried to repost and simplified the layout like you did. are you suggesting i start hcg from day 1 and run it up until 1 week prior to start of PCT? other than that, everything else you posted looks the same as my post. or were you just literally re-posing my cycle in a simplified format?
nah bro, not suggesting anything, just layed it out so peeps can read easier. ill let others chime in, im not a var or hcg guy myself, someone with better experience will chime in, ive only taken var twice, im a drol man.