posted Thu, 04/23/2015 - 16:45
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First cycle with another compound
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Stats:
Age: 35
Height: 5'11
Weight: 223
Bf is somewhere between 12-16
I've done about 5 test cycles and thought it was about time to add another compound. I've run test from 500mg-1500mg.
I've only used dbol for one of those cycles and it was nice just not a huge fan on orals. But this cycle im gonna kick start it with 50mg of drol
opinions on this please.
Drol 50mg 1-4
Test 1000mg 1-14
Eq 1000mg 1-14
Test prop 100 eod 14-16
armidex at 1mg eod
proviron 25mg ed
Hcg will be run throughout till pct
Pct
clomid 100/75/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20
My goal for this cycle is to lean bulk
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I would consider the following:
Sust 250 @ 600 1-18
Equipoise @ 700 1-18
Drol @ 50/day 4-8
Provi 50/day 1-18
Adex as needed
You could run HCG if you want or after in PCT
Standard PCT
With Sust you do not have to discontinue Equipoise 2 weeks before and you do not need to taper with prop. Both Equipoise and Sust are front loaded for the first 2 shots.
I put the Drol mid cycle because that is right before the Eq will start to kick. This should give you the most strength gains going into EQ. I find this to be more affective than kick starting with an oral when on Sust. The prop in it acts as a kick start. The strength is just starting to pick up after 4 weeks and then you add drol which blasts through a small plateau transitioning into the next compound.
On another note. The amounts listed above are just average weekly numbers to try and hit. I am not a fan at all of just injecting three times a week shit. I prefer to keep shots on a consistent interval through out the cycle. So Sust 250 every three days with a front load yields 611 mg per week average and Eq at 300 with a front load every three days yields 733 mg per week average.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
So 1-test cyp sounds like a interesting compound that fits my goals with strength and leaning out a tad bad.
test e 500 1-12
test p 12-16 100eod
1 test cype 450mg 1-12
drol 1-4 50mg
adex .25 eod
AnonJust want to add, I believe in adding only one new compound at a time for a cycle. If you have never run 1 test cyp and anadrol I would suggest you pick one. You could drop the anadrol and do first 4 weeks test prop instead, drol can be harsh.
Just something to think about if you are not a big fan of orals, it's up to you
AnonI would run the Eq no less that 16-18 weeks because it takes so long to get started good.. And then you want to run your test just a little longer so they will clear your system together otherwise you will still have Eq in your system while you are going into pct and personally I would drop that adex down some especially with proviron in the mix and drop the dose of Eq and test down just a little I don't think you need that much Eq running it for the first time 600-800mg Eq is plenty in my opinion for a first timer.... Are you aware that Eq raises your RBC so you may want to plan to give blood to help with that... Research it some and you will see
Thanks for the reply. Yes i do know that i will have to give blood during the cycle. As more people chime im thinking that EQ is really not the drug for me. to run a cycle that would be close to 20 weeks seems a bit excessive imho. I'm not sure the difference but 20 week shutdown vs 8 week shut down of test/npp
AnonNpp is 19 nor, you stated you didnt want to run that. If you want the benefits of eq but dont want to run a long could cycle then look into Bold cyp or 1-test cyp.
Similar to eq with a shorter ester so it kicks in faster and doesnt need to be run as long. This way you can keep your cycle around 12-14 weeks and dont need to run the 19 nor if you dont want to.
comparing the 2 i would imagine the 20week cycle will be rougher to recover from.
Great suggestion! Havent read to much on bold cype but what i have read is that the pip will cripple you haha. Ill go ahead and do some more readin on it and 1-test.
BTW, I run a cycle about every year. So this cycle is for winter.
AnonPerhaps, depends on how you respond to 19 nor compounds. Personally I have recovered fine from long eq runs, but thats just me.
Ive never really had pip issues with bold cyp. I usually have some test or mast in the barrel with it so maybe that helps.
What test cycles did you run? All variations or just enanthate? Have you ever run Sust 250? Your doses seem a little excessive and equipoise is a great compound to run but I would not start at a gram. I would extend to 20 weeks and run sust at 500-750 a week and Eq no less than 600 and no more than 800. Ideally run the test slightly lower than Eq. This is a patient mans compound. You will not see results start to kick in for 6-8 weeks depending on front load.
In fact, lay out your previous cycles please. Depending on your experience we may be able to dial this cycle in perfect for you as long as your diet is on point which I am assuming is because you have run five test cycles. This suggests patience on your part. There are several things I would tweak right off the bat but I wanna see your cycle history first.
Hey thanks for the reply.
1st cycle
dbol 50mg ed 1-4
test e 500 1-14
adex .25 ed
2nd cycle
test e 750 1-12
3rd cycle
test 1250 1-12
+ TNE so equal to around 1.5
4th
test prop 100eod 1-12
5th
test prop 200 eod 1-12
I honestly loved test prop cycle because my recovery was awesome. PCT was a breeze on 4th and 5th cycle. Felt no crash on energy or sex drive and gains stayed the same and also my strength stayed. my big concern is shutdown and pct. Thats why im not open to the idea of 19nor cus i hear its very hard to recover from. Im currently on pct for my 5th cycle week 3 on the clomid and nolva and i feel perfect. Also i would like to mention i used hcg for my first 3 cycles throughout and i also have been using ghrp2 cjc for the hunger increase.
Just letting you know I haven't forgotten you bud. I have just been too busy to write a good response. I have some ideas though and will write them up in the next day or two.
Yeah thank you very much.
Lean bulk on a g of test is going to be hard. You are the same age and weight as me and I wouldn't consider this much gear really. If your rocking your diet and training like a beast you should grow on 500mg of test and 600mg EQ ew. Could consider front loading the EQ for the first two weeks?
I'm just starting a new cycle and I love my EQ but I'm giving it a miss this time as I don't want the long shutdown of 20 weeks on cycle. I'm sticking with sus at 750mg sus and tbol for the last 6 weeks. Some proviron in there at a low dose too and a prop taper. I think I'm after the same sort of gains as you. Whole injecting part of my cycle will be 13-14 weeks.
Don't get me wrong EQ is a great compound. Just a different option for your consideration.
AnonThat doesnt look like much of a lean bulking cycle. I think dosages are excessive, what are you expecting from this cycle for gains?
Would lower the dose on test/eq and run it longer than 14 weeks. If you stop your test and eq at the same time, prop taper should be run for at least 4 weeks imo. Eq is a very long ester and takes a lot of time to clear.
i def see that its a lot of gear. As states I've only run test ranging from 500-1.5. I read and heard from friends that eq needs to be run at a high dose to have a affect. The reason im choosing EQ is that i don't want to run any 19nors and i think masterone is not for me due to my goal of gaining some mass + strength.
For this cycle im looking for about 15 pounds some fat of course but mostly i wanna hit some higher totals.
AnonIf you had experience with eq you could run higher doses but jumping on a gram a week straight away is not a good idea. 600mg is a good starting dose, you can get solid results from that. The effect comes more from running the compound long enough to let it work completely.
Here you go 500 mg weekly 1-12 50mg drol daily/ week1-4 anything over 1000mg of test and over are pointless! Your body will not use it! You should be using adex or aro for an Ai anyways! I think you need to do some more research about what a AI does buddy! You will need it!
i have it listed that i will be running adex. i've run test pretty high and i know how how much adex i need to control my estrogen..... I found this out by taking a lot of bloodwork..
Oh shit I mis read that! Yea that's to many compounds to be adding! The test dose is way to high I think as well! Honestly I would do test and one other compound! A taper is fine as well! Eq you will not start to see results till around 16 weeks! Proviron should be atleast 50mg a day! At those doses 75mg! These doses are just to high I think dude! Your body will not utilize all that test!
It's not a good idea to add two (?) new compounds you've no experience with. your Arimidex also seems high, why do you think you need so much?
And why do you think you need 2 grams of steroids to grow? Something is right here, lay out your diet.
Diet consist of 6 meals a day
meal one: 2 cup egg whites and 1 cup brown rice or 1 cup of oats.
meal two: 1 cup brown rice and 8oz of tilapia
meal three: 6oz of 97% ground beef with 2 cups of jasmine rice (preworkout) + protein shake before and after gym.
meal four: anywhere from 8-12oz of top sirloin with 2 red potato's
meal five: same as meal 2
meal six: 6oz of chicken with vegetables.
i also eat a quest bar and 2 yogurts a day.
And macro wise, per meal, what does all this break down too?
thanks for the reply. Everyone that i've talked to told me that eq needs to be run at about 800 mg a week and also that i should front load it since i am not running 16+ weeks.
I figured adding in drol for a kicker would be fine since none of the ester would kick in. i could swap it out for dbol since i have experience with that. And of course i'm open to recommendation on how to improve this cycle.
Also let me add my lifts
Bench- 375
squat is 510 (terrible i know, due to knee injury)
deadlift is 535