+ 8 MY COMPOUND GIVES ME PIP/SO THE BREWER IS BAD
I seen this statement alot lately , and im here to tell you , the statement is the furthest from the truth. Some of the best compounds from the best brewers , out there , I can not run, because of pip and knotting , its not the brewer , its the solvents used , and my body . Certain brewers use eo, and higher concentractions of ba, and bb. And most of the times these solvents are ok for certain plp, now myself I cant look at a bottle with eo , in it without feeling the pain . Also high ba will do it for me .. and there are other solvents , that will cause pip in plp that im not to familure with, but it took me a long time to figure this out . I have given 20ml jugs of prop away , because of eo , and this was some of the best prop out there. It wasnt the brewer it was me. I preach logs ,logs should consist for me of , solvents used in my compounds , and I have found , I cant use eo, I must have like 2% ba and a ideal bb is 15% but I could go up to 20% . I dont get pip, now lets not confuse pip with sore , when I hear pip , I imagion pain , and misery. and if that was part of the game im out. The main reason for post is I seen where a few brothers , asked about pip and they got responces , saying the brewer is bad , NOT, Now im sure you are going to , run a across a bad brewer , but if your source has been around , and they come in the top or so , or more , chances are they are brewing properly. , there seems to be alot of confusion with this .among newbes . Now also not to be confused with virgin muscle . Pege
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My thing is safflower oil. Man that shit fucked me up for a week minimum but it so far was the best gear I've ran. No need for bloods I knew it was working. Too bad I couldn't even finish the vial. I still have it in my stash and every time I open my box it's there staring at me saying come on buddy you know you like the pain. Lol
Good post! I myself handle PIP very well with stuff that would cripple others. A few years back a very competent brewer here brewed up some 200 prop and I loved it! Did it have a kick? Hell yeah! But PIP is a common factor in this game and we all handle it differently, IMO the "superdosed" compounds have a place of legitimacy with easier stacks but if you are pinning 400+mg/1ml then a bite should be expected not only from solvents but thats a lot of compound in a single ml...
I agree with the 2% BA but I can tolerate higher and as far as BB goes 20% on the high end and can go as low as 10% on some compounds so 15% sounds like an agreeable sub standard.
I know the point you're trying to make but there are many factors involved here. Every individual is different in their own way with what their body can handle but we all have common ground. The amount of BA/BB is almost a (and should be) a standard when we're talking about regular dosed products. The amount being used shouldn't be that far off from from pharmacy gear for regular dosed products. There are many factors when it comes to pip but for the most part (we'll use test e for our example) regular dosage products should yield the same amount of pip (if any) in my opinion. Even pharma has a bite sometimes depending on the muscle injected, injection technique, size of pin, shaky hands, etc. When we step into the high mg products I'm sure different brewers have different recipes. The fact that it's UGL products that vary lab to lab means there's no standard way each person makes the product. That leaves the question why test e 500 from Brewer A is smooth and test e 500 from Brewer B cripples you for a week. Why the difference all of a sudden? Now lets look at test with an EO carrier in it. Many people were complaining of being allergic to EO. Now we have the same people running gear that is 60-70% EO not having any issues and we're being told that there are different grades of EO on the market and it all depends which one is being used. It all depends on Brewer A or Brewer B. Why do we have such a huge variable lab to lab? I wish I had a straight answer to give you guys. Hopefully one of our sources/brewers can step in and clear the air a bit. Why are the same solvents in the same concentrations causing different reactions on people? This is a very good post and hope it leads to some answers for us
I think this answers its own question bro, everyone is different, then there is the process of training your sites. I remember the first time I pinned quads I was like "WTF?!" Then after a few rotations the quads started to settle and accept the pinning... Lots of variables for sure that is why blanket statements and one size fits all direction can lead to failure
I didn't mean for it to be taken as a blanket statement/one size fits all approach at all. Lets just say were pinning delts with two different brewers test. Now if both brewers are using the same amount of solvents and same carrier oil then how is the same persons reaction so different? What I was getting at with that comment was the different grades of solvents/carrier oils used. If each brew is cooked with the same recipe (supposedly) then why do we have a night and day difference? There has to be a variable involved that is causing these issues in my opinion (which I believe goes back to the brewer). There is a right way and a wrong way to do things. If I have 2 bottles of test from 2 different labs that are supposed to contain the same carrier oil and amount of solvents used then why would one of them fuck me up for a few days post injection. That would lead me to believe it's something on the brewers end that causes the problem. I know what you meant by your response, I'm just trying to look at this from all angles....PLEASE DONT BAN ME WHEN YOU'RE A MOD AGAIN LOL
I see exctly where your going with this , and it does bring up a good point , im going to use myself for example here , I cannot use eo, and I cannot use high ba or , bb of above 20 cut off and im going to feel 20 trust me .. ( someone is lieing or does not know the ratios , ) I have been experimenting with , what works for me for a long time , so if I get , pip from a product thats states ,0eo ,2% ba. and 15 % bb , someone is lieing or , there supplier , is full of shit , and not giving them the propper % for there product . Which leads me to , I am running , tren a , and prop , right now , my private source who I know , told me what solvents are in his gear , now myself knowing who my source is I take his word. , and I was not let down .. see this is what I mean the is so much more to choosing a source , than just going on to a fucking si page and hearing a bunch , of noones just happy to get a pack , saying gtg and fire and diesel , dont get me wrong years ago , I may have been there , but as we gain knowledge , and grow ,( if thats our goal,which it is mine ) we look into the plp supplying , the product a little deeper , and so on , see im nuts I lost my train of thought , but I do my homework , every source I use , I develope , I bussiness relationship with , and I leave it at that , I care what shit im putting in me , there was a time I didnt. But I like the quaility of my life today , so I do my homework. , but I know what your saying , quote im horrible with words and trying to get a point across sometimes. So bare with me
. ( someone is lieing or does not know the ratios , ) I have been experimenting with , what works for me for a long time , so if I get , pip from a product thats states ,0eo ,2% ba. and 15 % bb , someone is lieing or , there supplier , is full of shit , and not giving them the propper % for there product .
I agree 100% brother. That was the point of my original post. Whether its coming from a supplier or a reseller or whatever there is only one person that knows what actually went into the gear...IT'S THE BREWER. The big question is who gets held accountable and when? I really hope more people read your post and chime in here (I'm sure there's at least one source biting their lip).....Good post again brother, I hope it gets us end users some answers
so true, had one friend use some higher concentrated test E with only 10% EO and ended up will flu symptoms and knotting like no other where as another friend was using a rip blend with EO as the base oil and didnt even know the difference when i told him it was EO.
RustyhookerRight on point! Some types of oil make me itch. Allergic reaction. Folks should test out oil types if allergies are common in their daily life. Take notes of what types cause issues. Solvents...take notes.
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good point honestly I'm allergic to gso how do i know? when i was filtering my gear and to get the last of it i used steroid gso for the first time. the next day i used that sterol bottle that i filter with it in it man that whole night my body and feet,hands,ears, chest was on fire. had to go emerengy room no lie shit fcked me up bad.
RustyhookerDamn good thing you didn't inject!
Totally agree iv had some the strongest (overdosed) test that has strong pip but I don't mind overdosed when running cycles!
Its not the brewer its the solvents... but doesnt the brewer put the solvents in? Just because the raws are good doesn't mean the brewer is either, you can have 99% pure raws and a bad brewer and you can't use the compound because theres poor ratios of solvents to compound to oil. You can have the worst raws ever and a good brewer but the product is crap because of it
Don't get me wrong, a good brewer can produce a pip-filled product...but a really good brewer knows how to make a product that gives little to no people PIP. Unless the person has poor technique anyways, and like you said pins a virgin muscle.
Also just like high ba , if I go above 2% I start feeling it , and at times its frustrating because alot of top sources with excellent product run there solvents a little high. But I do understand what your saying , why use eo, I can see it for higher mg , product ,(which I will never use and havnt used) but why not just leave the eo out , and thats a good question , idk
No, I know top , sources that use eo, and eo is a popular solvent , but im allergic I knot up and swell and experience severe pain. Now 70% of other plp can use it . How does that make the brewer bad ?? It dosent , it means I cant use it , well of course I can if I want to be crippled up, but ill go natty before that .
Of course certain solvents will cause certain people to knot up, but a good brewer will know how to not need EO to keep hormones in solution (with of course the exception of higher mg stuff or not so nonpolar compounds). Using EO for low dose stuff is just short-cutting I feel and reflects on the brewer. There are exceptions of course like no ester compounds. That would suck if someone was allergic to BB/BA.. no roids for them :(
Lol I agree with you there , it must deffently would suck :(
Amen.....