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Hi all,

Going to be taking my 1st steps into the world of Tren E. I'm looking at doing either;

14wks Test E @600mg
12wks Deca @ 400mg
10wks Tren E @200mg

or

14wks Test E @ 300mg
12wks Deca @ 200mg
10wks Tren E @ 200mg

Just wondered which 1 people thought would b best?

Many thanks for any advice.

Catalyst's picture

So the OP and I have talked over pm. He's got a plan to work to SI tidied up in here.

chopper41's picture

Cheers mate Smile

Catalyst's picture

Welcome mate. We'll keep in regular contact to hear the expected good results from you ;)

chopper41's picture

Yes mate, definitely, cheers Smile

Just out of curiosity, do I need to get my BF done "professionally" i.e go to the Dr/Nurse or do you think a home device is sufficient?

Catalyst's picture

Ideally get a good PT to do it with calipers.

chopper41's picture

Cheers all 4 your replies.

Cycle history test & deca 1 month on 1 month off pretty much constant for 5 yrs between 18-23 yrs old (it was the early 90's & this was how we was advised 2 cycle at that time, lol) + I've done the same cycle on/off over the yrs when training on/off.

Been back training since last august/september after a 5yr break & have dropped 3st whist doing a couple of the old fav test/deca cycles.

I know I've got a long, long way to go body wise but I'm getting there & although I've done a lot of courses I've noticed things r done differently know, hence why I've joined eroids.

I had read about doing two 19nor but had seen some people saying they got on ok with it & coz I have the deca thought I'd add it in.

Think it's safe to say I'll stick with the tried & tested test & deca for a while longer.

Cheers guys.

Catalyst's picture

Honestly mate I wouldn't be cycling anything at the moment. Your BF is too high and you've only been back in the gym 6 months. You should be focussed on getting your body primed for cycling at 15% ish, or less ideally, with solid nutrition and getting your training back to where it was.

I'll look at your diet in the diet clinic and see what we can do, but to be blunt I'm not investing time into a diet plan if you're just going to jump back on test / deca in your current condition.

chopper41's picture

Hi catalyst, thanks for you time.

I was just saying to goose that I like the psychological motivation the ASS give me & I need all the help I can get to lose these excess pounds, lol but out of respect for your time & knowledge I will keep off the ASS & work on getting my bf down b4 going back on them.

I appreciate the help, cheers.

Catalyst's picture

You'll get do much more out of it mate once you've trimmed up. You've been here before, you know you can do it, you've lost 3 stone! Just give yourself a kick up the backside and we're all here to pick you up on those days when it's a battle ok.

I'll give you as much help as you need. I've sent you a FR btw.

chopper41's picture

Thanks again catalyst for your time & wisdom. I've accepted your FR, thanks for that, it's much appreciated & it's a good feeling to be on the road to becoming part of the eroids family, although I've done a lot of cycles I'm the 1st to admit my knowledge is very limited by todays standards & feel that this is the place to improve it.

Cheers mate Smile

cry_havoc's picture

That's the best answer I have seen on this thread!

Goose24's picture

25% BF? Well I wouldn't advise taking AAS right now. From the way you talk it seems like you've been training for some time and should know already about proper diet and exercise routines to get yourself to mid teens bf man. At that point and only at that point should you start considering AAS. You already have the tools and knowlage use it until you get the BF back in mid teens bud. Just my .02 Smile then blast (not with 2 19nors) though.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

+3 good advice bro

Goose24's picture

Thanks man

chopper41's picture

Hi goose, cheers for your reply.

Yeah I'm gonna hold off on the 2 19nors, it was a small minority that was sayin they got on ok with it so best to stick with the majority me thinks.
Yeah I know I should probably w8 2 cycle but as sad as it sounds it gives me little extra to keep motivated to get rid of these extra pounds, lol & I suppose coz I got to a pretty good standard on AAS way back when I know it's needed to get there again so find it hard to train without them.

Catalyst's picture

Neither.

Why do you want to run a cycle at 25% BF?

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Running two 19s with a body in shit state at 25% is endocrine major shut down and prolactin suicide bro............... this plan needs a serious rethink, you are going to feel like hammered shit and will be suffering fkn horrendous bad sides within a few days of starting this!....... ludicrous plan bro, dont do this please.

The Impastable's picture

Why is it that guys think this is a good idea? It's becoming more and more often you see the deca/tren combo being "proposed"... There's this great saying that's been around "just because you can, doesn't mean you should."

PM sent. Want to clarify something really quick.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Correct bro........ why is beyond my reasoning, lack of research pops to mind.... it is possible the run and control duel 19s but it is Advanced and for guys with many tiers of experience and know their bodies like a swiss clock.

Catalyst's picture

And if it goes wrong, it goes wrong BIG TIME.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

BIG TIME ............ as i know too well from past blasts brother.

The Impastable's picture

Kind of like sky diving without a backup chute...

Catalyst's picture

The problem is it's very difficult to work what's causing what, so you're backed into a corner and have to bin the cycle if it goes wrong. Can be an ugly recovery too.

The Impastable's picture

I can only imagine. And then you're still stuck with the long esters taking their sweet time leaving your system... Wouldn't wish that kind of anxiety on my worst enemies.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

yeah...........

SL's picture

X2 bad bad idea

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cry_havoc's picture

Chopper this is a bad cycle buddy. You will end up putting on a lot of water and probably some fat on a frame that needs more attention to diet than gear. What is your cycle history and what are your goals here?

rolltide3's picture

Huh what your cycle history? Your profile says your 25 percent body fat?. Why would u think running two 19nor at once is a good idea? Your six foot and 230 pounds with 25 percent body fat. So lean body mass your like 170 pounds at six feet sounds like u need work on your diet

Post up your diet here
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/diet-clinic-now-live

chopper41's picture

Hi roll, many thanks 4 ur reply.

I followed ur link & posted my diet.

I used to do a test/deca cycle 1 month on 1 month off pretty constant for 5 yrs between ages 18-23, it was the early 90's & this was how we was advised to cycle, lol. I've been back training since aug/sept last ur & have dropped 3st fat whilst doing a couple of the old fav text/deca cycles.
I know I've got a long, long way to go bodywise but I'm getting there all be it slowly.

Many thanks again.

rolltide3's picture

no problem if u need anything send me a friend request and feel free to pm me good luck

chopper41's picture

Cheers roll, have sent you a FR for future earbending, lol.

rolltide3's picture

I accepted good luck . Stay motivated

chopper41's picture

Cheers bud Smile