+ 4 Foreign or Domestic that is the question
This is something that I've thought about for a long time. As a juicer How do I minimize my risks of getting caught.
For me, and I'm sure a lot of you, getting caught would pay a much higher price than the fine or jail time associated with it.
If you are a college student or thinking about it, a drug charge will cost you the ability to get a student loan and or a government grant.
If you are a professional a drug charge may cost you your professional licensure.
Sometimes you have to ask yourself if it's worth it. I know info every day.
For me the biggest risk is in the delivery of the product.
If I order foreign, that shit has to pass through customs which as any one here can attest is a mind racking experience, especially when checking your tracking number and your geat has been in customs for over a week.
Even more mind numbing when you recieve a letter stating a seizure.
I know there of some of the belief that if its a small and insignificant seizure that they send you a letter and wipe you off the system. I am not of that belief. I believe that they do keep a database of that shit. Hell they had to go through the trouble of sending you a computer generated letter, do you really think it's that difficult for them to keep a log of seized items? Hell no it's not I don't care how much customs reviews. All that shot is computerized and organized as such. Shit yes they have a log. They usually don't prosecute because of cost ...or do they prosecute? Has anyone here ever had a controlled delivery? We don't hear about them very often but does it happen?
To me that's the biggest risk associated with foreign. I don't like the idea of having skeletons in my closet. Hell, what if I decide to become president one day? You never know.
What if I want my concealed carry permit and have to pass an FBI background check? Will it surface there? Who knows.
Now back to domestic..the mail to me isn't as big of a risk as long as your source packaged shit right.
But what about when that source gets busted? I've had former sources busted and guess what that cracker has all of your personal info right in that hard drive that they are cracking.
Shit makes me nervous.
Just curious as to what all of your opinions are on the matter?
What is more secure in the big picture, foreign or domestic.
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If I was gonna spend money and take a risk there is only a couple sources I would use on this site, and none of them are domestic.
I dont care much about a seizure letter, which I have never gotten. And I dont like the way domestics all know each other, dont like the way they all communicate, IMO its a loose lip operation. And while I doubt that the DEA is gonna come get a user if they got his/her info during a bust, I know for sure they are not gonna come get a user in the US from a bust overseas.
I would like to say something, but I might suffer the wrath of some sources. I'm going to slide it by some mods first.
Foreign used to have a wider selection for harder to get items but the domestic market has changed drastically over the last 5 years
Domestic isn't 100% either. The false sense of safety and security can be an Achilles heal. Some 15+ years ago I got an actual phone call from an actual DEA agent (Yes I thought it was brother fucking with me but it was real) My SRC at the time got pinched and he had everyones info on his laptop. So they called everyone as asked questions. They pretty much just wanted to know if anyone was having any health issues so I told him the stuff "was good" He told me they have my info and told me to cut the shit - which I did for a long ass time and accepted the financial raping of the Gym SRC
With the easy access to raws and a get rich quick scheme to hatch many of todays UGL's Rusty hit the nail on the head
RustyhookerI'm not sure if it's the domestic vs import that's been in effect for the last year.
A wise man on here told me it's not the established sources. It's everyone wants to source, ship, pack or manufacture.
Guys get on this site and buddy/bro/homey, and start passing emails or phone numbers. Working out etc with cyber folks. Look at all the guys boasting to cell chat with sponge on that si. Where are they now?
Quality, speed, convenience etc are big decisions whatever route you choose.
Something else to think about the quality of the labs import and domestic. That's the biggest issue for me.
Im up north of the majority of you where the laws are fairly laxed. However, our customs are 2nd to only Australia. I'd say my chances of an intl order getting to me is about 10% unless extreme measures are taken to disguise the package.
Ive had a few seizure letters before and I too believe thy certainly keep the info in a database, regardless of the size of the seizure.
If I lived somewhere that had strict laws for simply possessing steroids, or if I had a carreer that would be at risk if I were to be charged, I would either forget about AAS all together, or be forced to buy from the local douchebag dealer at the gym and pay 5x the price.
Well when you run for president you have my vote..
Myself, I like domestic because I don't sign for anything. I don't get anything sent to my house either. So not being present to sign for anything makes international orders hard.
I only order for myself and don't get shit for anyone. There aren't many smaller fish than this little guppie.
When a domestic source gets busted though, I think we are vulnerable. I'm sure most of us on here had our info pass through the hands of LE when the last #1 went down.
I believe a low profile and not supplying your gym is as safe as we can be.
You have to acknowledge at some point that for every guy saying they can't do anything to us or don't want bothered with the small fish, there's probably 2 Feds and 5 LE reading the comment wishing they could.
There are bigger problems in the world. The heroin epidemic for one is enough to keep them all busy. But heroin doesn't have an electronic trail and a list of addresses, phone numbers, and transaction histories. if they bust a local dealer they get a cell phone and maybe a name or two of a buddy. Bust a source and they get a national or even world wide list of clientele.
Stay small and stay safe ( as possible). And Don't drive drunk with syringes and gear in your car. I heard that's a good way to get caught.
They may want to do something but really it be quite hard unless you were scene obtaining the suspected package and they new what was in it.
Anyone could have used your name and addy to get packs sent to. Could of had a friend use your addy and pick up what he ordered from your mailbox without you knowing.
They would have to have physical proof of what was inside the package.
They need specific payment info to tie you to the order which is why bitcoin or MP or prepaid cards are best.
Just food for thought.
It's bullshit that you have this dilemma to begin with, how it's illegal to begin with is bs as well. Having some excess test running through you is all a bro needs, and maybe a few extras from time to time lol,and you have to risk the possible repacushions that brings. It's fkd up for some, and easier for others regarding what country you live in. I'd be careful not to build up to big a stash if I was in the us or oz etc.
I think staying domestic is your safest bet!
Loose_CannonGreat thread ED every time one of these busts go down of a source that i have used i get extremely paranoid so its refreshing reading everyone takes and opinions on what could happen. If only our Government were not a bunch of pussies and just allowed steroids for personal use.
Well I been running this around my head lately myself , due to the recent events , and.honestly I never gave much thought to this till now , or should I say as much concern .I would say more towards foreign. So what to do about it is the question and I think , cutting back on orders , all my ai and da , I use pharma , so I must order foreign,but I will put one order in for year . Now I would love to do the same for my domestic , but that may be a.little hard , I run shorts and thats alot . And the bulk , but over all cut down on orders order in bulk and , chances are better
I figure if they ever did decide to come after us users they are going to start with those of us who they have on record making big orders and then they won't pick you off in the mail they will set you up at your gym or wherever it is you are dealing. A distribution case looks better in the news.
As far as international, they most certainly have a database but someone getting a few vials of test is not high on the priority list. They are looking for real hardcore drugs and real hardcore criminal shit as far as prosecution goes. IMO. And judging by the history of ordering juice this appears to be the case.
Domestic to me is far easier but in the long run I believe carries more risk. We don't know what or if the security on the other end is up to snuff and until the house of cards comes down we won't. We all know now that the sponge sold out everyone he could to save his ass. I don't think LEO gave much thought to all of us users. There are simply too many of us.
In some ways we can liken it to weed. When the cops were arresting all the inner city or immigrants for weed nobody gave a shit. But as soon as they start busting suburban middle class white dudes it all changed. The same could very well happen with roids. In particular test. Say they come kick down 100's of our doors and the vast majority of us are over 35 blue collar white dudes and of course we all say "It has made our lives better and our marriages better, etc" And the word spreads... The genie is out of the bottle all over again.
I'll go a little further on your weed aspect. Let's say your growing weed and u have ten plants outside and the cops come to get it the only way they will catch u is if your out there when they come. They don't have the time to case or observe such petty stuff so they cut it down. Now let's say your a professional grower with a thousand plants well then they will take the time and monitor the area do some reckon and try to get the perps. Same applies here if your buying domestic and u made 600 dollars of purchases last year they don't have the time to bother with u. There so much more nowadays big drug dealers and the new time spent on trying to find terrorism inside our own borders. This country all about money just do the math. Setting up a sting operation for tens of thousands of dollars spent and the huge amount of man hours for a measly 600 bucks just don't add up
I don't know if you have ever tested the ten plants in your backyard idea but I can tell you from experience (not mine but close enough) if they spot them they will show up in full swat gear, kick in your door then seize all your toys, cars, tv's motorcycles, etc, then make you re-mortgage your house to buy it back from them. And possibly never even charge you with a crime. One plant, two plants or twenty doesn't matter. Luckily in a lot of the states now that is changing...
They love auctioning peoples toys to pay for theirs...civil forfeiture is a bitch
Should of stated that different. Meant not growing in your property. Like in the woods where it's clearly not in your backyard. If there a small patch they come out and cut it down but if it's a big patch they will stake out the area but I agree if its in your back yard and clearly yours there goin to come in full force
Double post
Honestly I think the end users in these cases are relatively safe. The government and most states are so broke that us small fish isn't a priority. U make a point about domestic they mostly get busted every time sooner or later but never do they go after the guy that order two times for a total of 500 bucks. Now f your ordering a bunch at a time and appear to be a reseller well u might be worth the time to look into. Domestic is scary to bc of this they get popped and boom there your info. Now ordering over the big pond iv had a pack seized before and continue to order to the same address and not another pack been messed with. The problem with le trying to get u on this is they have to prove its yours and u knew what was in it. So every time I get a pack in I sit it in the open for at least two or three days and never open it. If they ever did show up I'd say I don't know what's in it I had planned on returning it and remail it back just haven't had time.I would never sign for a pack that shows up at my door ever. This is where most guys get it. I order to a p.o. box and live in a small town and I know everyone that works there. So if there any suspicious people around I'd chalk to a loss
Imo , you are exactly right they never go after the guy , getting a few orders a year . Which is refreshing to me , because I only order for me , only me , so my pks , and times of ordering are far in between through out the year . Now and im being serious , here how many plp here are dealing at the local gym , and to college buddies , and jumping on all the free shit , and promos , someone jumping on every promo , can only be doing one thing with it .. do I need to say it ??? Receiving pks every week , they need to worry , not us
I agree wholeheartedly I see guys on si commenting every week about there big boy packs and then u go to the pics and they have enough in there pics that it makes them look like distributors. All that evidence in plain site for some measly karma. I'll lay low order just enough for me and take my chances
::)) great we dont need worry , the players and advertisers take the spot light off us and I say keep it up ty
Now that I think of it I hope they keep where u can get karma posting picks of packs lol.
Exactly , :))
both are safe options IMO.... it just really comes down to do you want the wait of international and the chance of getting your package seized by customs. where domestic you don't have that worry? either way the feds are not worried about you 7 or 10 vial order they don't have the man power or time to screw with it they go after the suppliers
I don't know man, I think if your domestic supplier is in the same state it would be damn easy for the authorities to forward your info to your local Barney Fife, and some Barney's feed off the little fish.
Another thing that might be overlooked is the national databases. I've got a buddy who is a cop, his little bro is a heroin addict. If he wants to follow him he checks the pawn shop database, just to find out what he has pawned, if he wants to see what his bro is prescribed he checks the prescription data base. What's to say there isn't a seizure database?
I don't know?
Perhaps a few of the cops on here could chyme in. Come on fellas we know you are there.
how do you think the big guys in this game get pinched? Everyone keeps saying they do not go after the small fry, of course they do because thats how they build a case. The small guy gets flagged either form another snitch or because he was dumb, he gets popped for that small purchase, they tell him he will die in prison if he doesn't squeal like a pig. Natural selection shows this guy is like fkn chub from the goonies. Now the pinch is on. Some people will do anything to not have 1 hour in jail. I have a friend who does Bail enforcement and he chases these small fry all the time. Grown ass men the size of coleman crying like 6 year old girls because they are facing 30 days in prison. Seriously crying. They want the small purchade guy, he's the one who builds the case and walks LE right to the suppliers front door in fkn sheeps clothing.
I agree with u 100 percent but this is different with steroids. Busting the little fish goes no where. So they came and pop me what info can I give them the website I used. The cops can find the website without my help. Busting the little guys leads no where in this case bc we don't know the reseller or the manufacturer. Now with drugs u buy from some one in person of course that's how the cops get the bigger fish start low and work up the food chain
Domestic is a different story, packs can be traced right back to the PO it came from. Then they watch that office for the stocker; then its night night; ever go night night? Kevin hart; I couldn't resist lol.
And when I'm sleeping in my cell and my celly touches my lip...now I got a bum bump...A BUM BUMP!!!!
I see your logic, but then, why wouldn't LE just come here, place an order, then trace the pack back to the PO as you say?
Ya I agree if le wanted to do this they would order themselves but I really don't see busting the low level guy how it can lead to the big fish bc we don't know any info more than what's readily available on line
Entrapment.
I guess we don't have the same definition of entrapment.
Entrapment
In criminal law, entrapment is a practice whereby a law enforcement agent induces a person to commit a criminal offense that the person would have otherwise been unlikely to commit.
This is what makes it not entrapment.
Ugh that is not what I meant I wish I could have deleted that. When the police suspect you of doing a crime they have to have proof. For example they busted someone near me because they had them under surveillance for a long time but could not arrest him or her. They knew what him or her was doing so how come they did not bust them with an undercover LE? They did AFTER they watched people purchasing then had a pigeon purchase multiple times then they swooped in. Entrapment is not what I meant, I meant discovery.
This is my school of thought. We always hear they aren't going to go after the little fish, but they go after the little fish all the time.
Or, it's steroids not heroin..
It's still felony possession.
Take a look at that recent rapid bust, there is a guy on there who was a small fish yet after the bust he recieved an email from Rapid. Betcha it wasn't Rapid.
Exactamundo. I like international mostly because if they get pinched over there sure as shit they will have names but how long would it take interpol to let the feds know johnny small fry bought 200 worth of dbol? Feds will LOL. In the states they fkn JUMP at the opportunity to make any bust domestic since they do not need to issue a lot of paperwork; hence why they have the DEA.; look at Rapid and the guy from jersey who snitched them out; sources say he got busted for selling a couple vials and he was singing so much they almost mistook him for a canary. Fuck that keep yourself safe.
He may have gotten snagged selling a couple vials, but that dude posted PIC AFTER PIC of 50+ vial orders in a short period of time...might as well have tattooed a bullseye on his ass
I heard he's getting a leading role in the next Frozen movie...
This is exactly how they get the big fish.... By working up the food chain... The most insignificant users (by everyones standards) have the most to lose and are most likely to sing... You use them to get to the resellers, and then threaten them with enough of a sentence to make them flip, and just keep going up until they have enough rats to haul in Moby Dick.
Don't worry, we won't judge. LOL
It would be interesting if we had some people in the know chime in . But as with everything there are inherited risk we all take when we play the game.. I've been playing the game for 13 years and maybe im lucky or whatever but never had a issue
I've always believed that the more careful you are the luckier you get.
ha ha