+ 3 Elevated Liver... no longer elevated
About 4 months ago, I decided to run oral tren as the 1 NEW ADDITION PER CYCLE RULE. I took it for 3 weeks and 3 days before acid reflux got so bad I coundn't take it.
While I was on it, I used milk thistle and one tab of Liv52 DS ED. On cycle, I felt great. I felt stronger, fuller and more aggressive. Everything I could want and then some.
What made me stop (as I originally wanted to go for 4 weeks), was some side effects I was having. First and most noticeable was my tongue kept turning yellow. It wasn't yellow itself but but it would constantly have a coat of yellow film on it. most noticeably in the morning. I could brush it away but it would come back with in 2-3 hours.
Also I noticed I was getting really tired really easy. I would sleep 8 hours and then after about 3 hours at work I went into a foggy haze where I just wanted to nap and even lost desire to go to the gym after work.
So in December I went to the doctor because I thought the tiredness could be part of my thyroid condition. He wanted to take bloods. When he checked my ALT/AST levels I was at 111... the normal range is <79. He showed concern but he scheduled a 6 week consult to come back and check it out but did not want me to take anything to help it.
I chose to help my liver out so I search around on here and saw that some vets had recommended Essential Forte as a liver aid. I purchased 4 boxes and began dosing it at 2 caps, 2x per day (double dosage recommendation). Well I went back to the doctor today and sure as shit, my level is at 52!!!!
Long story short, I won't be touching Oral Tren ever again. I won't recommend it to anyone and thank god that Essential Forte helped me out here.
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Testrogen_PropC...I also took oral tren/milk thistle on my very last cycle before switching to blast/cruising. The sides were terrible. Switched back to tren ace for my blasts. Lol BTW I don't think the milk thistle did jack shite. Oral tren is some harsh stuff my man.
I'm glad to hear your doing much better with your liver values.
You should probably avoid oral TREN as you stated,,,its definitely not for everyone.
Milk thistle is worhless, the oral bioavailability is so low it would take massive doses the be even the slightest bit effective, liv 52 is good for reparing damage but doesn't do a thing for protecting it. Tudca is the only liver aid I know of that actually protects the liver from damage. I've gotten bloods done right after being on superdrol and there was no elevation, I got them done while on 100mgs of real dbol and no elevation , got then done after 8 weeks of 100mg var ed and no elevation. Tudca is king, it actually protects it. But oral tren is a whole different animal, 111 is really not bad at all especially for that drug. It could have been a lot worse. My doctor said they don't start to worry until values are double the normal limit. Which is why he wasn't to concerned and said follow up in 6 weeks. I'm gonna be running orals for a long time this spring with frequent bloods so will see how the Tudca holds up. But you didn't bed to buy that stuff your values were gonna return to normal in a few weeks as soon as you stopped taking it. I would stay away from that shit.
On another note, how were the gains?
Thanks for the input IG. Yea i was looking at TUDCA. Im glad essential did the job but i think im running tudca and essential anytime i use an oral.
And hell yeah im avoiding mtren like the plague
How much TUDCA do you take when using orals?
500mg of TUDCA and i cant remember if my bottle had 250 or 500mg of nac in it tho. Works like a charm bro.
AnonI run 500mg, along with 1000mg nac and 800mg SAMe.
Thanks for posting this up! I just think that too many people think they are safe if they're taking milk thistle and/or liv52. Bloods are the only way to tell.
Very glad you're doing better.
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thanks vh... scared the shit out of me. The doc was worried, the levels I had were worse than patients he's had who had scirosis and liver damage. Scared me to death. I over estimated my bodys ability to handle this stuff and undervalued what some elders here said. thanks the lord that essential helped and thank god I got bloods or I would have had no idea what my tongue was yellow and I felt like shit
U can take essential forte or/ and tudca when takin harsh orals bro to enjoy the positive effect without the negatives u can get it from Amazon great job on takin care of ur self before its too late man
havent seen tudca by itself unless i buy the ones that look like crappy muscletech looking bottles lol. Sorry shouldn't judge but I appreciate the pharmaceutical looking essential. After what I went through, I don't even want to risk taking the harsh shit anymore. Just not worth it. I loved the effects of the oral tren but god damn did I pay a price. thanks for the input!
Seems like the side effects of Mtren are the real deal. I am hearing more people having success with the Essential Forte. I'll be looking into it some more.
hell yea brotha... I was slamming liv52 and milk thistle and that usually works when using dbol/winny/var etc but this just messed me up hard. I won't do it again. I was just in such a funk that I couldn't lift, I felt like crap it was very depressing.
The essential forte was HUGE in this recovery. I am going to stock up on it and get more just to run in all cycles
How long did you feel like crap after you stopped taking the MTren?
So I took the Mtren from Oct 20th- Nov12th and I just started to feel better about 2 weeks ago. I didn't really notice the sides until about 2 weeks after stopping the Mtren. So in total, I felt like shit for about 2 months. BUT I didn't start the essential forte until the end of December so it took about a month of treatment to get me feeling "normal" again. hope that answers it with out confusing you
Sounds like it really threw you for a loop. Definitely a hardcore compound and not something the average "Jonny" bodybuilder should be taking to look good at the beach. Women will be asking him why his eyes are all yellow.
true story there my dood. I dont compete, I dont model so there is really no point in me using it. But for those who do those things, this stuff works but you would be best to preload the essential/liv52 and milk thistle
asiaticwhat was your dose on the oral tren?
I responded to you in the other thread. Nobody here is going to help you with oral tren, you don't need it.