+ 27 bunk / severly under dosed test from ARL
here it is guys. been cruising on ARL's prop since mid september @ 50mg EOD which is 175mg a week. so lets just say 200mg. my body responds to 50mg EOD of test very well, getting numbers back like 864, 927..... but then i switched to ARL prop.
within a few weeks i fell into a funk. but i was going through personal problems at that time, unrelated to any of this. so i thought i was just feeling a bit down cause of what was going on in my life at that point. but now its months later, those problems are gone, and i am still in that funk. so i got bloods, and my results are in today. pic above check it out. 380 test is not normal for 200mg a week, especially with past experiences with different labs. i want my money back and i want ARL taken off this website unless they provide a damn good explanation.
and please excuse my red tag. i got thumbs down for using steroids at 21 years old. yes thats bad, but it doesnt change the fact of the matter at hand
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+1 thanks for the results-
Have to say I got some tne And it was decent-and I'm sorry to see these numbers-
Anon+2
This is what I have been waiting to see...
Youve been wanting to see ARL mess up?
AnonHe posted labs and I said I have been waiting to see this.... Labs.... jeez
Lol sorry I didn't know what you meant. I loved ARLs products its a shame this guy got screwed. Are any updated mass specs from ARL available?
AnonI'm not sure ... I have ran a lot of the gear awhile back but none recently which was why I was waiting to see some results
Like a year ago ARL said he was posting up new mass specs soon and it never happened as far as I know
Fitnessjunky1987Lol
AnonI know right
When I switch to prop for trt instead of cyp or e, im always higher with prop even at 50mg eod.
whats the name of that porn star in the avi shes smoking lol
Jodi marsh! I wish she did porn lol
Was considering getting in on that promo, glad i didnt i guess..
Thanks for posting this ^^.
golaniwhat i understood from this bloodwork that if its real and just underdosed, then its underdosed by about half. so i just pinned double and see if i feel any better in a few days either way its junk and im just looking to come off gear completely.
http://www.steroidworld.com/steroid-information/steroid-half-lifes.html
First off, you can't just round up 25 mg and call it good. It doesn't work that way.
Second, what is your understanding of half life?
50 mg of what kind of test? I'm presuming prop but maybe it's not? At your age, and for as long as you've been running, do you think you might be experiencing some issues?
I might be wrong, I'm no expert, but if we say prop has a half life of 4.5 days at your dosage you would reach 188 mg by the 30th day and inch up to a stable peak of 189 mg by day 50. (theoretically)
And if you were using cyp at 200 per week, your (theoretical) levels would be around 600 mg by week 8
I hope it isn't underdosed! I have plenty of prop from them sitting at home
You and me both - I have enough sauce from ARL to juice a small army
golaniif they are vials, then the prop vials i got from them a few months before were fine. but i got a 100ml jug that seemed sketchy in the first place it wasn't even a big vial, it was a random bottle that said a random oil name on it. it smelled like test though
Actually. Come to think of it. There is no way the test p I got from them is bunk. I'm guessing you have a bad batch.
I used several vials of it and it treated me well in comparison to geneza Cnc and Faizer. Yeah those are gunna get flagged. Whatever. My estro sides from test are very strong, and results apparent. My bud kicked off his first cycle using 100mg eod and he gained like 7lbs in the first week.... The problem is we didn't get bloodwork done. So you never know. But as I said before it looks like you have a bad batch.
better get some bloodwork on it! hope it isnt for your sake bro
After more tracking down of other's BW - what I find is that it should me right about 1k flat while taking 50mg EOD(give or take a little). I am going by a handful of labs people ran while running anywhere from 50mg EOD to 150mg EOD. The last one I seen was 150mg EOD and the numbers came in right under 3k total test.
golaniyup. 150EOD of Big D and hulks shit put me at 2600-2800. and 50EOD @ 800-950 range
RustyhookerBingo!
RustyhookerFirst off prop does NOT have a weekly value. It's dead and gone in 48 hours. The next pin kicks in...48...dead. read treads full description on prop. It's thorough.
50 eod should have been a strong dose by molecular weight. But for trt there's less fluctuations with a longer ester. Less spikes and dips.
Folks post 100 eod as a kicker for a 500mg per week second run for a reason. Reason is the weight of prop by hormone. 100 eod matches closely to that 500 mg per week. So by half ing your eod dose...your bloods are low. Flat out low.
I've run prop on a tren cyc me at 30 ed and was a walking boner. The prop was very good quality. Thanks for your testing!!
golaniright. the half life of the drug is dead in 48 hours about. but my levels would not drop significantly in those 48 hours. its not like if i dont inject for 4 days then boom my levels are at 0. no, it doesnt work that way
So wait, when exactly was this test performed compared to the last time you pinned?
RustyhookerAs long as eod was really eod, you're correct. I saw some folks preach eod but take Saturday and Sunday off. I bout fell out my chair. Why would you off time for a crash? Lol.
Less pins with Enth or cyp. Simpler imo. But testing different theories. ..High five.
Thanks for the info Bro it is crazy that it could have that much of a difference in total T levels.
RustyhookerNothing like bloods to show how your body reacts. Everyone has variables. But look at cycles, molecular weight and bloods. Helps plan your goals.
This is the first time in recent history I've seen bloods on ARL... when you are paying at such a deep discount for gear this comes at no surprise .... I agree bro ... Your levels are off/low and should be much higher then what you have. But you almost got this prop for free! It might be time to reconsider your approach on picking sources ... If you want to cruise on such a low dose it wouldn't be that much of an investment on proven gear ... Good luck!
Like I said, this is the 1st time I have seen in my 3 years of juicing ARL getting bombed for underdosed(semi bunk test). They're aren't just on here ya know. . . . I have been running their shit for quite some time & they have made me plenty of cash. I don't trust shit so I got BW on the test I have ran so far(which was their 400) and LabMaxed their Tren & their Mast. . . . All checks out(as far as dosing on the mast, there's no way to tell). The tren looks like toxic waste that hit me with sides so fast, I grew tits over night. Sooooooo - legit from my experience. . . . . . I wanna see how they address this
Another instance of underdosed promo gear. Weird cause I have heard much bad about this lab. I almost thought of buying some myself actually. Glad I didn't. I'll stick to my source no reason to shop around.
Another thing I will add is your doing 3 shots a week How high do you expect your test levels to be LoL sure it MAY be under dosed But It is not garbage like your painting it out to be,3x;s a week is gonna cause you to stay at a lower yet more consistent level if you pinned 1x a week you would have a greater peak,2x's would give less of a peak but better stability 3x you peak is going to be on the low side but levels will be very stable....I think this BUNK word is thrown around very loosely considering at 50mg x7 =350 so if it is under dosed its not by much HOMIE Everyone BACK OFF THE BUNK TRAIN BAND WAGON AND ACTUALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THE NUMBERS 50mg x 7 =350 that is a decent number 150mg x 7 =1050 Not bad Guys and Gals....a Good benchmark For test is 6-7x's Not this bullshit 10x's theory Yes FOR SOME PEOPLE 10x's does happen but for most 6-7x is a good SOLID number
Naa actually tends to be the opposite with prop. Say you pin 175mg of cyp ew either once or split into 2 and then you pin prop 50mg eod. The test levels on the prop are alwuys higher. I've seen a lot of bloods where guys try to match their trt dose of cyp with prop and they're always sky high on the prop. So he's injecting 50mg ed totaling 175mg ew but there's an ester of 2-3 days. So when he takes his second shot he still has 25 or more mg of the first shot etc etc. so over time that 175mgs ew will build to levels much higher. I wish the pct calculator was still online or I could give you an exact number. But this is way way low for that dose.
Thanks bro See I was not sure with prop and blood work, I was doing a comparison with Test C/E thinking there of course would be a slight difference because obviously prop does give a bigger punch so to speak SO thank you for clarifying I just hate to see the trend of everyone jumping the bunk bandwagon LoL
AnonSo you were unsure and in reality completely wrong yet you still write all that crap up top like you are an expert in bloodwork? This is what is wrong with many boards if you have 0 experience and are assuming things make it clear don't talk like you know it all that's how misinformation is spread... lol the ignorance your karma should be stripped so anything you say has 0 credibility just like your post up top smh
golanibro, i am not new to the game. i've run various labs at higher doses and at this exact dose. the last time i cruised at 50mg EOD from Big D and Hulk, my labs came back 927 for big d and 889 for hulk.
it is a known fact that 200mg of test weekly will put you at the high spectrum of normal range
What I am getting at is you saying these guys should be banned from the board and YOUR demanding your money back and blah blah is coming off very harsh Bunk is the wrong word even severely under dosed is an over statement trust me dude I usually light the torche's on sources LoL but I think your painting a picture that leans in you favor when the numbers are NOT THAT BAD do you have previous blood work you could post???Again Not accusing stating my opinion and I am also Not 100% sure how prop plays out when it comes to blood work hopefully someone can enlighten me
AnonAgain you wrote his results were NOT THAT BAD? Your comments should be treated as a joke you know nothing yet make bold statements like you know what you're talking about what is wrong with people like this
Look fence rider Here is a saying maybe you should listen to "I would Rather Die on my feet than live on my knees" Now brush you knees off boy and stop riding the fence as you can see I said at the bottom my reasoning and wanting to understand it hoping someone would enlighten me,See when you voice an honest opinion you run the risk of being wrong something I am okay with and in fact become better for you on the other hand jump on the scene after the smoke clears and parade around as if you knew something when in fact where I come from people like you are the pussies that wait for the fight to end and throw a kick on somebody that is down and then claim you won the fight LMAO
AnonI'm not reading any of what you just posted after having read that garbage up top. People who talk out of their ass have no credibility to me. Goodbye
Actually I did read it for entertainment purposes maybe next time you should write you have no clue what you are talking about and you just want to put out a different perspective!! Make it clear you are making shit up and have no clue what you are talking about!
golanino those are horrible numbers for 200mg a week. and many would vouch for me. i've said time and time again that i've used that dose before and umbers come back between 800-900
Well If you got former blood work stating otherwise then I will take your word for it.Just trying to show a different perspective.How much did you spend???
I'm trying to get in touch with a friend of mine who did this. He's on trt like 200mg ew and came off a short ester blast and instead of going back to trt cyp he just went down to 50mg prop eod an did this for a few months and his trt doc did blood work and his test levels were wayyy high on that small dose of 50mg eod, as they should be. I mean most of us kickstart cylces work 100-150mg eod and it puts us at 4000ng/dl. So 50mg eod will but one at atleast 1000 if not more. I mean if these bloods were how it should be on 50mg eod at 380 and most of is kick with 100 our test levels would be like 700, the same as most of our natural test levels lol. It would be a huge waste of time to use that as a kickstart.
golaniyeah man 150mg EOD put me at 2800
Damn bro thats not cruising home boy LoL
Interesting to say the least,I figured there would be a difference but not that much of a leap....Wow would like to see more blood work on Prop Well then I may stand Corrected ALRIGHT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN PLEASE MAKE A NICE ORGANIZED LINE
Well some question's should be asked,When was the last day you pinned before the blood work and how much?Do you also have proof of your purchase that you could show them?The sad thing is Bloods were a honest way to evaluate gear but I can see the tide turning and soon they will be used to manipulate and extort source's NOT saying you are doing that I am saying that we will see reverse scamming via blood work...Again I am not saying you are Just stating my opinion on the matter oh and don't say they need to be removed from this website That make's you look like an ass If that were the case there would be no sources left you can thank the chinese for bunk raws
golani"the day before. and hypothetically if i pinned 4 days before, my test levels would still be high. testosterone propionate will clear the blood within 2-3 days but it will not bring levels down significantly in 2-3 days especially being at that dose for so long."
Just odd & shitty to see funky numbers off ARL's juice. I haven't seen one other complaint yet - But, I do agree this is low. It's like half dose compared to what it should be.