posted Tue, 12/30/2014 - 03:12
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+ 1 What's your TRT /HRT regiment?
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I've been doing TRT for 4 years now. 3 off and on through an anti-aging clinic and now 1 year on my own. I was spending $250 a month at the clinic, insurance didn't cover any of it. If I was broke for a week, I didn't get my shot. Now I spend a fraction of that and never miss a dose.
Here is my current regiment :
Monday / Thursday 100mg Sustanon, 500iu HCG, 50mg npp (for joint pain).
Just curious to see what other guys are doing for the TRT programs.
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12.5mg Clomid EOD.
When I was on TRT it was 200mg test e or c (weekly), 1000 iu HCG (weekly in 2 pins 500iu each two days before test pin), anatstrozole eod (depending on my bloods it adjusted), Sermorelin 500 iu ed, 1000 iu B12 weeekly. I have to admit I felt great, the Sermorelin helped me stay lean, and I just felt and looked better. I hated having to stop. Crazy expensive, I think I was dropping about 1600 every 4 to 6 months.
And what are you doing now? TRT, living with low T?
Well first you have to understand I didn't really have "Low T". I mean yes, for a 40 year old man compared to a 25 year old man it was lower T, but I had normal levels for a man my age. I wanted to use test for the reasons pretty much everyone on here would want to use test. I had no idea how to get it. I've had seen this site, but just wasn't comfortable with it. I went online, found rejuvenation web sites and contacted them. If you're over 35 they'll put anyone on TRT, unless your a genetic freak your test will be low enough that the doctor running these places can legally prescribe you whatever you want, as far as test. I could order as much as I wanted, they never questioned me. Pharm grade script with my name on it, no worries. Only problem a 10ml bottle of test was 250 bucks, HCG was 150 for a 5000iu vial, so on and so on. If I were a rich man I'd still be ordering from them, but I'm not. I couldn't even do the Sermorelin at the dosage they wanted me to because that would have ran me about 400 a month. I still had success with the product, but would have liked to been able to do it at the dosage they wanted me to use.
Happy, are you running your own black market TRT or did your natty levels return to an adequate level?
250 bucks a vial, holy crap!
Just goes to show you that the wealthy can get what they want w/o the legal troubles that face a working class guy having to go black market.
Yes I'm running my own now, they did return to normal levels. I found a friend that was able to help me, but he has became very inconsistent so I've placed my 2nd order (first one was a loss) and waiting. Yes, the rich get the good shit, we get the bath tub brew (I really hope that's a joke and not the case). BTW I read your cycle logs, great stuff. I think I'm going to run my next one very similar if not exactly like yours.
Happy I have been looking for a clinic like you were doing. Is it o.k. To ask the clinic as it was not black market?
Thanks
Yeah, totally legit, nothing BM about it. The laws changed a few years ago. When I first started I could just see the doctor through skype, but now the law requires you to see them in person. That was one of the reasons I stopped, I live nowhere near where they are located. I edited this, I had the name up, even though it is not BM I'm not sure the mods would want me mentioning the name. FR me and I'll give it you through PM.
My understanding is that u need to use HCG during TRT because without it u can get something called "brain fog". Its described to me as exactly what it sounds like. Plus i figured the cosmetic part of it too (full balls not just a skip slapping ur girl) would be something men would want.
Why use NPP when on TRT over Deca? It seems like a better option, no?
Also, wouldnt adding proviron result in having to take less Test due to increase in free test levels?
DCHI124 and an expert on trt. GTFO kid!
with a name like trenplease he better be learning about TRT LOL!
TechieWooo-ey! You sure know how to chap peoples assholes bro.... Just when I thought you were taking a turn for the better.
Get ready, here it comes.....QUIETPLEASE
U crack me up lol. I don't know bout brain fog but your post makes me get brain freeze. Your what 24 now your posting trt info?
Just fucking stop it, you're not on TRT, and you obviously don't know much about it. You need to stop giving advice about things you have no merit talking about.
"Brain fog"?!? WTF is that? My brain is just fine lol. And my balls aren't any smaller today than they were years ago when I first ran steroids. All your issues are unique to you, not everyone is the same...just like your metabolism is your personal fingerprint and certain caloric norms are just guidelines. Ideas/protocols aren't cut in stone for either case IMO. Maybe someday I might need hcg, but not right now. And as far as using NPP instead of deca, phenyl prop is far more faster acting...get the joint cushioning benefits much sooner instead of having to wait around 7 weeks
Only thing I'm having issues with are finding a way to dial in my estro when cruising. When 'blasting', not a problem.
lol, just started learning and I sat down with an age clinic and went through the numbers.
$1995 base tests
$995 ta65 test
$250/mo manage visits, injections
$160/mo ta65 and supplements other things
I think test was like $20 or $25 a dose
So here I am, scratching my head reading everything I can get my hands on right now.
DCHI1PM me brother. i have a clinic that rocks and is much less costly
go see your general prac, they will do some blood test, see you have Low T, refer you to an endo and your good...insurance should cover most of it. Once you get a baseline and figure it out it will be easy to go UGL if you so decide in the future.
You are right on trying to find a decent doc. I found one in my city and worked out plan with test / arimadex / clomid and works well my insurance won't cover HCG which I would prefer but covers everything else. Within next 5 years anti aging and trt clinics and specialists are gonna pop up all over the place
Yea might as well just do it yourself. That's what most of us seem to do here. Just gotta be VERY comfortable and trusting in your hormone quality and source(s)
have you had any issues after NPP? I have had extreme soreness in my joints after a deca cycle and was thinking about throwing some NPP in this next time
nah...not at all, issues like that. your joints were probably sore POST deca cycle cuz of the beating you dished out on your body while on and you got what I deem as a 'rebound effect'...kinda like estro rebound if you break it down and think of it like that
I would say going from a deca blast...it would be a good idea to taper into a NPP with your TRT...and then maybe drop it altogether? Of course I am just hypothesizing ;-)
Been on TRT for 10 years now, after blood work and fine tuning I pin .4ml of test cyp twice weekly. For a total of 160mg a week. I had thought about low dose deca for joints, but when I'm off cycle I like to be off everything but my trt test. For my joints I have found great success in supplements. I take 4g MSM and 2g Turmeric Curcumin daily, both split in two equal doses. Works quick and Provides a lot of relief to my joints.
Geez, some of these TRT regiments look like small cycles...guys, if your over the normal range long term its not healthy. The idea of TRT is to keep you in the normal range long term.
DBG, is your Mast E 200mg/ml? I would run it low to start and do bloods in 3 weeks and see where your at. Ramp up with the slower esters I would think..crashed E isnt fun. Keep running your proviron that way you can drop the Proviron if you feel like shit and get it out of your system and stabilize quicker.
DCHI1Well my doc prescribed my dosage plus hcg/AI/peptides...with bloods every 6 months. I don't feel it's aggressive at all.
Every patient us different and some need higher/lower dosages to hit optimal levels.
your 35 years old and on TRT.. I have seen HCG in many instances like yours. again, if your not producing enough naturally then why go HCG. He is worried about testicular atrophy I would think and not about LH and increased production. IM not a doc, but the more chemicals your throwing in to stay "normal" is aggressive, but we are all different...the good thing is you got it worked out!
I agree brother. I think conservative is best with trt.
Yea I know, in my opinion I take MIN amounts of compounds anymore now, whole point of cruising is a break btwn cycles.."blasts", and get yourself recalibrated.
My mast is 200mg/mL...I was thinking I could 'front' 200 for two weeks then drop to 100
its all how you feel..if you think your E is way outta wack then go for it...the bad is its going to take a bit to work since its a slow ester,,, I would do 50mg Proviron minimum... I just upped mine to 75 but Im on cycle and just started Anastozol 1mg e3d. Im saving my mast for cutting next cycle so dont wanna dip in. Good luck man, let me know how it goes
The only reason I would frontload a mL would be to get it saturated quicker. 2 weeks at 200mg/wk then drop I think would put me spot on, idk...my 'bro theory' haha
So I got me some Mast E now...if I am running 200mg cyp/wk, how much Mast should I go with? 100 or 200mg?
125mg test enanthate every 5 days.
0.25mg adex every 5 days.
50mcg ipamorelin / 50mcg CJC 1295 w/o DAC before bed.
250mg nettle root extract 2 x per day
1/4 grain natural thyroid daily
10mg DHEA daily
25mg Pregnenolone daily
5mg Progesterone cream daily, split 2.5mg am/pm
3mg melatonin before bed.
DCHI1Pretty low dose for trt.
I'm at 250. But I spit it into 2 doses each week. M/TR
Wtf is nettle root?
240mg Test C, 90mg deca, 1mg Adex split Mon & Thur, 25mg Proviron everyday, 2iu HGH 5 on 2 off
started last year
all through a doctor
200mg/wk cyp
hcg .2ml last 2 days of the wk of pin or 2 days before pin however ye look at it once on cycle
anastrozole .5mg 2 x wk mon & thrs
bp is up a little .....concerned but feeling great since i started the therapy. went from 170 - 200 5'8"
strength went way up too from 260-315 on my bench
curious what your guys T levels are. I do 125mg/wk UGL Test E and my bloods are at 800-900. dont need an AI at all when cruising
50 mg E3D put me in the 750 range. No estro sides whatsoever, so I'm stuck in this protocol. Pharma grade Test Cyp 100 mg/ 2ml. @ that low concentration no PIP obviously.
sounds like you have a great setup..no need to change it up..pharma is the most consistant, but not the cheapest route...depends on your provider and route you took, via T-Clinic or Endo
In my case, it's the cheaper route cos I live in a country with universal social security system.
There's no such thing "T-clinic" around. Apparently is very common in US but not in my country. I'm very lucky cos my endo is an open minded young guy. Most people in my country don't get the injection route, all they are prescribed is patches (wich I tried and hated...).
I'm planning a cycle soon, so I'll be able to compare PG and UG...
Peace
I had two diff tests done on the same lab cyp, diff batches...huge discrepancy in levels. I have since switched to pharma cyp. Trying to keep my levels around 1000...still working on it :-/
And my estro too...it's been a steady 30 points to high
have you tried lowering your T levels(reduce your mg/wk) just a bit and see how your Estro does...if you can get in a bit lower and not have to do an AI that would be ideal. I know it took me awhile to get it right. I know what you mean about different batches...had the same issues...just get bloods done when starting a new batch and always have used the same UGL. I have a script but bank those bottles for Blasting down the road..
TRT is a new thing to me...it's been like 4 months now. I have pharma cyp amps now that are 250mg/2mL...I need to put em in a vial and just pull a 1/2 once per wk. Here's the deal with me tho...I needed an AI always no matter what my test dose was. I aromatize 'very nicely' which sux. I gotta keep playing with things. For now I have blood donation Tues
You might want to look into the risks of taking oil from amps and storing them in vials. I recently saw a post about an infection from this practice. Supposedly amps don't contain the proper level of BA or BB for storage in a vial.
Just what I've heard anyway.
Have you tried Proviron or Mast ? I am running proviron right now during my blast and get bloods next week, but in the past it keeps my estro where I like it for the most part. IM the opposite of you though....lol. I have to run a bit more test if for say Im cutting with Tren/TestP/Mastp I end up having to up my test a bit everytime to keep my estro up. good luck! its a pain but you will get it . FR sent also
Yeah man! I just started proviron about 2 months ago and love it. It controls my estro just enough and I get spontaneous erections. Boners like I'm in high school again.
haha, if you get a good batch its very pronounced
I feel as tho I'm becoming immune to proviron, been pretty much taking it for a year now lol
sounds like its time for Mast! just me personaly but I would rather do gear than drugs that control estrogen in post menopausal women . Also here is a link for foods and veggies that help with E, sure your aware already but for anyone who is searching for alternatives to Aromasin, Adex and Letrozole.
http://www.steroidal.com/q-whats-best-way-control-estrogen-levels-steroi...
Thank you man. That's great to help, and yes now I'm thinking of adding mast...was thinking of it anyway
Take a few weeks off from it and then come back to it. I only use it when I'm going to get lucky or when I'm on cycle.