posted Mon, 12/22/2014 - 08:18
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+ 1 Nolva on Tren cycle. Yes or No ?
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I haven't seen this one come up in a while soooo, let the bro science begin !
Veterans please hold back and give it couple of days.
Thanks !
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drolskietamoxifen is a serm, it does not lower estrogen, it binds to receptor sites blocking the position and preventing growth, it has actually been shown to up regulate estrogen and in turn activates and aggravates the PGR further, nolva cannot bind to or block PGR, meaning tren and nandrolone have more to bind to than without nolva, resulting in the formation of puffy, lactating nipples, so you see, nolva has blocked the estrogen receptors, but not the PGR resulting in a form of "gyno" this is why people say not to use nolva with compounds that interact with PGR/ prolactin.
nolva is a serm, best used during the pct process, can be used for the treatment of gyno, but imo not with 19 nors or any other compounds that interact with pgr/prolactin, could be used after a 19nor cycle to combat gyno after the compound has cleared.
caber, bromo or prami is your best bet with tren or nandro, not worth the risk if in doubt, as stated below though you can try, get labs then let everyone know for certain, everyone can react differently. good luck.
I dont use it, I dont use an Ai either, I also dont PCT. use it and take labs, then drop it and take labs. best answer youll get
I would use LETROZOLE with TREN.
You could also add some CABER
1/2MG 2 X PER WEEK if needed.
Lot of controversy on this subject. The whole arguement came because of a study that showed tamoxfien to up regulate progesterone receptors in the UTERUS, not the breasts. So that's why people say you can use it with 19-Nors. There's no evidence that it does anything to increases gyno when using 19-Nors and a lot of people used it successfully to stop gyno on a 19-not including myself. When I get some time I'll go a little deeper into it. Shouldn't be a problem tho but I don't know why you would use it with tren in the first place. It doesn't aromatize and typically you're not going to be using high doses of test so you're better of using an ai. If you were using something like deca then it would make more sense as deca dose aromatize around 20% the rate of test and you're also most likely using high doses of test. My coach just gave me my drug protocol for the off season and it's test deca with nolva and this dude knows a hell of a lot more then 99.9% of people regarding drugs/diet/training so I'll listen to him. I typically use an ai but who am i to question him. We won't be be using an ai until my diet changes and I start to lean out getting closer towards show time and even then it's a low dose. My ai dose won't get high until I'm like 8 weeks out.
AnonNo AI and no caber. If it works excellent, give him props. If it doesn't? Promise to call him out publicly for it.
I don't think he would have had any problem with me using caber if I wanted to, I could be totally wrong tho idk I didn't bring it up. I use prami anyways but I the plan said 10mg nolva ed so I asked about an ai and he said no. Why? Idk at the very least I've read so much about high e2 and raising shbg whixh we obviously don't want when were trying to grow,, aside from all the other shitty things it causes so will see. What's weird tho is I've talked to basically all the guys with pro tags on here and they don't use ais in the offseason and they have some of the best if not the best physiques on eroids. So will see how this goes.
This is a strange one. If you are prone to gyno you should probably go with an ai on any cycle assuming Ofcourse test is a must base. If your not running an ai then a serm would not be a terrible thing to have on hand, but then again why not just use an ai? I don't really understand what tren specifically could alter about any of this as really prolactin levels can become problematic with 19nors.
StevebThis makes no sense
How about now ?
StevebNolvadex is for post cycle. Post as in after your cycle not during.
If you want an anti estrogen use Aromasin or Arimidex.
Since he's talking about tren, wouldn't it be more appropriate to use caber/prami? I guess I just feel like asin, adex are staples of any test cycle. Always kept on hand.
I know that. None of those will help with tren. This is not for me. I am just trying to spark a debate.
Elaborating a bit more might get you more responses
I have not seen this argument come up in a while, so here it is.
Should you run Nolva with tren ?